Muutama sekalainen esimerkki jutun avaamiseksi:
Lyhyillä matkoilla toimittaessa esim. lamppujen sammuttelu onnistuu piekkarillakin ampumalla. Plussana pienet haitat ympäristölle, lyhyet takavaara-alueet jne. Ongelmana tehoton patruuna ja matkan tarkka arvioiminen.
Lentokoneen pystyy pitämään maassa vaikka rynkylläkin, mutta ampumamatkat ovat kentän laidalta helposti sitä luokkaa, että hommaan tarvitaan jo paremmalla lentoradalla ja optiikalla varustettu ase.
Normaalista autosta saa renkaat puhki melkein millä tahansa aseella.
Panssaroiduissa ajoneuvoissa on usein heikkoja kohtia joita voidaan joko hajottaa kunhan vaan kohdalle osuu. Mutta on niitä melko hyvin suojattukin. Kuinka hyvin esim. keskiverto tähystysprismasta näkyy läpi sen jälkeen, kun siihen pamauttaa normaalin D-166 luodin? Entä panssariluodin?
Mistä löytyy hyvät referenssit esim. kaikenlaisen panssarikaluston heikkoihin kohtiin?
Haulikollakin tehdään maailmalla monen monta mukavaa, mutta ilmeisesti esim. lukkojen hajottaminen on Suomen lainsäädännön takia täällä hieman hankalampaa. Ovet aukeavat lähes poikkeuksetta ulospäin ja lukko ja saranat eivät pääse vapaasti irtoamaan paikoiltaan, jos niitä ammutaan ulkopuolelta.
Vertailua eri kaliipereista? Eri asetyyppien hyviä ja huonoja puolia? Erilaisten luotien etuja ja rajoitteita? Aseella tuhottavia kohteita? Hyviä linkkejä aiheeseen?
Taannoin teimme pienen terminaaliballistisen kenttäkokeen ampumalla TRG42:lla 20lks betoniseen raudoitettuun siltarumpuun.
Amet +370m, materiaalivahvuus 100mm.
Loppupäätelmä oli että 20-30:lla hyvin tähdätyllä laukauksella voi maassa olevan ~120cm sisähalkaisijaltaan olevan täysikokoisen rummun sahata kahteen osaan. Tosin osat jäävät roikkumaan raudoituksista toisiinsa kiinni.
Kuviakin otin, mutta sanottakoon nyt suomeksi että rumpu oli jo 15lks jälkeen toselta sivultaan täysin p**kana. "Halkeaman" leveys n. 30cm. Tikkasin rumpua ylhäältä alaspäin järjestyksessä.
Ei piilopaikkana ehkä maailman paras mikäli LM:llä ammuskellaan kohti. :)
Loppupäätelmä: 338 murentaa betoniakin sangen tehokkaasti -ja vieläpä ilman eksoottisia AP luoteja.
P.S.
Osumista kuuluu tyylikkäitä "kumahduksia" -ja kauas. 8)
: Panssaroiduissa ajoneuvoissa on usein heikkoja kohtia joita voidaan joko hajottaa kunhan vaan kohdalle osuu. Mutta on niitä melko hyvin suojattukin. Kuinka hyvin esim. keskiverto tähystysprismasta näkyy läpi sen jälkeen, kun siihen pamauttaa normaalin D-166 luodin? Entä panssariluodin?
Huonostihan siitä prismasta näkee mutta kannattaako sen vuoksi tilata niskaansa kovin paljon vaunukanuunoiden tulta on toinen asia. Asutuskeskuksessa silti täysin mahdollinen skenario.
Tosin kun muistetaan TAK-85:n osumatarkkuus ja ajoneuvojen prismojen koko niin ei niitä kovin kaukaa kannata yrittää ja läheltä toimittuna taas voipi tulla palautetta.
: Mistä löytyy hyvät referenssit esim. kaikenlaisen panssarikaluston heikkoihin kohtiin?
Optiset laitteet, radiokalusto ja prismat lienee ainoat mihin kivääri tepsii lähes aina. Tällöinkin AP-luoti on hyvä olla olemassa. Nykyaikaisen vaunun lämpökameran pimentäminen laskee vaunun taisteluarvoa aika paljon vaikka ei tee vaunusta vaaratonta. Tehokkainta lienee kuitenkin miehistön kiusaaminen ja jo sekin että joutuvat ajelemaan TA-vaaran vuoksi varmuuden vuoksi luukut kiinni.
PST-aseet on kuitenkin erikseen. Maailmalla erilaiset yhteistoimintakuviot ovat olleet toimivia. Eli esim. TA tulittaa vaunumiehistöä joka menee vaunun sisälle ja laittaa luukut kiinni. Sitten PST-partio pääsee kuolleesta kulmasta toimimaan ja vaunu voidaan tuhota tai sitä voidaan vahingoittaa.
Helsingin Sotilaspoliisikilta teki tuossa muutama vuosi sitten vastaavia testejä, eli ammuttiin erilaisilla aseilla erilaisiin kaupunkioloissa oleviin objekteihin. Tilaisuudesta tehtiin video, mutta sen sijainnista ei ole sen enempää hajua. Voisin kysellä nykyisiltä kilta-aktiiveilta missä nauha luuraa.
Tiivistelmä päivästä: leffoista opittu auton oven taakse kyyristely suojaa yhtä paljon kuin mitä "taikaviitta" suojaa ydinlaskeutumalta, itse asiassa jos henkilöauton moottori ei satu kohdalle, auto päästää heppoisenkin 38 Specialin läpi suhahtaen, puhumattakaan 308 tmv.
Tähän sarjaan lukeutuu myös poikamainen testausvimma erilaisista metsästyspatruunoista, MSa:lla on tätä varten rakennettu Etelä-Suomen puhelinluettelo-systeemi, jonka läpäisijää ei vielä ole löytynyt...
308W kiväärin saatika 338LM läpäisy on peruspaukuttajalle joka kerta suuri :shock: :shock: :shock:
Joka kaverin kannattaa aika ajoin testata paljonko suojaa 40cm tuore tukki tai 15mm terästä kun siihen ammutaan kokovaippainen luoti. Muistuu taas mieleen ne varo-opppitunnit ja syyt miksi niitä pidetään.
Nimimerkillä: edelleenin hävettää ne Överummin-kyntöaurat, joiden runkoon on tullut ammuttua reikä 300m päästä 308W Trainer paukulla...
Lainaus käyttäjältä: MSa
Nimimerkillä: edelleenin hävettää ne Överummin-kyntöaurat, joiden runkoon on tullut ammuttua reikä 300m päästä 308W Trainer paukulla...
Irtosiko auran omistajalta mitään terminaaliballistisesti valaisevaa kommenttia???
:lol: :lol:
Lainaus käyttäjältä: JL
Irtosiko auran omistajalta mitään terminaaliballistisesti valaisevaa kommenttia???
:lol: :lol:
Valaisevasta en tiedä, mutta kohtuullisen tomeraa se palaute oli.
Toisaalta ei olis paljoa tarvinnut palutetta, sillä itsekin olin sitä mieltä että järki oli jossakin aivan toisessa tuliasemassa laukausta suunnitellessa.
Ainoa järjellinen syy reiän poraamiselle oli mahdollisen kotelomassauksen helpottaminen...
MSa
Paljonkohan tarvitsisi laittaa suojalevyyn paksuutta tuota kaatuvaa maalilaitetta ajatellen? Materiaali taitaa olla ihan "viiskakkosta" rautaa mitä hyllyssä on.
10mm, 20mm ?
:wink:
Lainaus käyttäjältä: SO
Paljonkohan tarvitsisi laittaa suojalevyyn paksuutta tuota kaatuvaa maalilaitetta ajatellen? Materiaali taitaa olla ihan "viiskakkosta" rautaa mitä hyllyssä on.
10mm, 20mm ?
:wink:
Hmm-painon kannalta kenttäkelpoisempi ratkaisu olisi käyttää vaikkapa Suomalaista Rautaruukin Hardox-kulutusterästä, tai Weldox suurlujuusterästä.
Jos rakkaan jantterin haluaa suojata varmasti, niin "räkäraudan" paksuus menee aivan mahdottomaksi.
Hardoxia käytetään esimerkiksi tiekarhun terissä sekä kaivinkoneiden kauhapiikkeinä yleisesti. Kovuuksia viiteensataan asti, tiekarhuissa on käytetty Hardox 400:sta.
Nuorrutusteräksetkin toimivat pääsiassa hyvin suojalevynä.
Vahvuuksista: II kansainvälisissä kovapanosammunnoissa käytetyn Panzer II vaunun panssarin vahvuus vaihteli 14,5-35mm välillä.
Panssariteräkset ovat tästä toki kehittyneet, mutta noin suuntaa-antavana verrokkina heitän.
Teräksissä materiaalin kovuus on kaksipiippuinen juttu, nyrkkisääntönä valssattuihin panssariteräksiin voi sanoa että mitä kovempaa materiaalia, niin sitä paremmin kestää yhden "taakin", mutta jos osumia tulee monta samaan kohtaan, niin karkaisultaan hieman pehmeämpi toimii paremmin.
Nykyisin käytetäänkin yhdistelmiä, kovaa päällä ja "lujempaa" alla.
Jenkit ja britit käyttävät vielä lisäksi köyhdytettyä uraania etupanssaroinneissa, mutta jantteriin sitä ei ehkä kannata laittaa.
On niin kallista, nääs.
Komposiitit ja keraamit ovat vielä oma lukunsa.
Just nyt ei ole köyhdytettyä uraania yhtään hyllyssä...
Eli kokeilemalla selviää mikä se "räkäraudan" ns. mahdoton paksuus oikeasti on. Onhan hardox murto- ja myötölujuudelta yli puolet viiskakkosta tiukempaa.
Ajattelin vaan että joku on kuitenkin käytännössä kokeillut.
Suuntaa antavia arvoja löytyi:
7,62 mm lyijyluodin pysäyttämiseen tarvittavan teräslevyn neliöpaino ON 55 kg/m2 JA panssariluodin pysäyttämiseksi tarvittava neliöpaino ON 110 kg/m2
joka olisi 7800kg/m3 tiheyden teräkselle 7mm ja 14mm, pitäisikö teräslevyn määrityksenä olla että myötö- ja murtolujuus on yli 1000N/mm2 ja kovuus yli 350 HB?
Lainaus käyttäjältä: SO
Paljonkohan tarvitsisi laittaa suojalevyyn paksuutta tuota kaatuvaa maalilaitetta ajatellen? :wink:
Osumakulmalla on myös vaikutusta. Ohuempikin riittää jos luoti tulee loivassa kulmassa.
Tämän linkin takaa löytyy melko karkea taulukko suositelluista panssaroinnin paksuuksista 7,62 NATOON asti. Nämä ovat suositeltuja paksuuksia SSAB:n Armoxille. En tiedä kuinka paljon tuohon taulukkoon on otettu pelivaraa mukaan, mutta toivottavasti siitä on edes vähän apua.
//http://www.ssabox.com/pdf/armxcivl_eng.pdf
Näköjään tuo about 15mm on nyrkkisääntö FMJ .308lle :)
Aika merkittävä ero .223lla (6mm) ja 7,62x51 natolla (14,5mm). Ei varmaan kukaan ole kehitellyt mitään kaavaa/exel-taulukkoa asialle?
Oma käytännön kokemus on että 500m päästä 338LM:llä 250 Scenarilla läpäisyä on vähintään 5mm "räkärautaa" 90 asteen osumakulmalla. Koska mittasin ainevahvuuden viivoittimella niin voi olla että oli 6-7mm paksua.
Luulisin että jos metallilevyä suojana haluaa käyttää niin viistoon asetettu Hardox400 tai Hardox500 voisi olla aika varma, vaikkakin kallis valinta. Toisaalta mitä maksaa rikkiammuttu Janter-laite ?
L.Möellerin kaavoja mukaillen syntyi
Exel-taulukko
Ei vielä ihan selvinnyt mistä nuo materiaalikertoimet on kehitelty...?
taulukon alareunassa olevasta linkistä löytyy alkuperäinen ohjelmarunko jonka saa ajettua QBasicillä kun ensin korjaa siitä yhden bugin (puuttuu yksi ; -merkki)
Lainaus käyttäjältä: SO
Näköjään tuo about 15mm on nyrkkisääntö FMJ .308lle :)
Aika merkittävä ero .223lla (6mm) ja 7,62x51 natolla (14,5mm).
Ja kuinka paksu panssarointi on PaSissa?
6-12mm....ei kivaa olla kyydissä kun kiväärillä ammuskellaan kohti.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: JL
Lainaus käyttäjältä: SO
Näköjään tuo about 15mm on nyrkkisääntö FMJ .308lle :)
Aika merkittävä ero .223lla (6mm) ja 7,62x51 natolla (14,5mm).
Ja kuinka paksu panssarointi on PaSissa?
6-12mm....ei kivaa olla kyydissä kun kiväärillä ammuskellaan kohti.
Viitaten toisella palstalla (Häyhä-Kisat) käytävään keskusteluun:
:arrow:
Riippuu vähän mitä sillä kiväärillä nyt sitten tarkoitetaan.
:lol:
Lainaus käyttäjältä: SO
Viitaten toisella palstalla (Häyhä-Kisat) käytävään keskusteluun:
:arrow:
Riippuu vähän mitä sillä kiväärillä nyt sitten tarkoitetaan.
:lol:
Niinpä :lol:
Mutta eipä tosiaan ole kummoinen panssarointi pasissa, kun jopa hernepyssy-223:lla saa ohuimpiin kohtiin reiän aikaiseksi.
Huh-huh. Oikein panssari-ajoneuvo tosiaan.
Sehän on panssaroitumiehistönkuljetusvaunu eikä panssariajoneuvo, eli tehty suojaamaan rk-kaliibereilta sekä sirpaleilta. Huomioi että hankalaa on pasiinkin ampua niin että luoti osuu 90 asteen kulmassa.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: SO
Sehän on panssaroitumiehistönkuljetusvaunu eikä panssariajoneuvo
Eli: panssaroitu vaunu ei ole panssariajoneuvo, mutta toisaalta panssariajoneuvo on kuitenkin aina panssaroitu ja voi olla myös vaunu?
Heh, tästähän saadaan kehitettyä vielä kunnon väittely :D
Lainaus käyttäjältä: SO
Huomioi että hankalaa on pasiinkin ampua niin että luoti osuu 90 asteen kulmassa.
En huomioi, mehän ollaan kaikki huippu-TA-miehiä...
Kuusenlatvaan vaan kyttäämään ja katosta läpi. :lol:
Pasihan on miehistönkuljetusvaunu jossa traktorin peräkärryn muovipressu on korvattu vähän tukevammalla teräksellä.
Ei ole sattumaa että Pasin sivuilla ja edessä on kaikenlaista lumiketjua, etulevyä yms. tauhkaa. Niiden tehtävä on paksuntaa panssarointia.
Tosiasia on että jos läheltä päääsee vihulainen ampumaa 12.7/.50 BMG kk:lla niin läpi menee AP-luodeilla joka suunnasta. Ei välttämättä joka luoti mutta sarjasta tulee usempi läpi. Kyse ei ole sellaisesta panssarivaunusta jolla ei tarvitsisi välittää vastapuolen ammuskelusta. Abrams M1A2 on sitten enempi sellainen laite.
Pasin panssaria ei voida paksuntaa rajattomasti jos halutaa että se ei uppoa maahan ja että se kelluu. Osa YK-tehtävien vaunuista on niin tuhdeilla "pelleillä" varustettu että ne eivät enää ole uintikykyisiä.
Mainittakoon että MT-LB tai BMP-1 ja BMP-2 ei ole nekään mitenkään älyttömän paksuilla panssareilal varustettu. MT-LB on Pasi-sarjassa ja noi muutkin aukeaa kessillä käytännössä kaikista suunnista mutta takaa yläviistosta ehkä parhaiten kuten Groznyissä naapurit saivat havaita.
Erään maan käytössä (ei suomen) ollutta PaSia ammuttiin kosovossa kessillä takaoveen, eikä ammus läpäissyt panssarointia.
Kuulemma oli tapaus oli herättänyt suurta ihmetystä rauhanturvaajien keskuudessä tyyliin "on se ihme vaunu" jne.
Kuka arvaa mihin kohtaa onteloammus oli osunut... :wink:
Veikkaan että ovenkahvan akseliin.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: espo
Veikkaan että ovenkahvan akseliin.
Bingo! -> jantterin panssariin on siis myös hitsattava pasin kahvoja kiinni :D
Taitaa tuo 14.5 milliä olla 7.62x51 AP luodille.
Jo 7.62x39 api näkyisi menevän 13mm
Armoksiin normaali nato ball 6mm levy näkyisi riittävän.
hardoksia tai ruukin ar:ää luokkaa 10mm tai kulmaan asetettuna ohempaa normaali suojaus sydeemeihin niin kyl se siitä...
300WSM 9.7lb v3=1000m/s matka 100m 6mm hardox 400 läpi niin että heilahti.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: mpmasa
Taitaa tuo 14.5 milliä olla 7.62x51 AP luodille.
Jo 7.62x39 api näkyisi menevän 13mm
Armoksiin normaali nato ball 6mm levy näkyisi riittävän.
hardoksia tai ruukin ar:ää luokkaa 10mm tai kulmaan asetettuna ohempaa normaali suojaus sydeemeihin niin kyl se siitä...
300WSM 9.7lb v3=1000m/s matka 100m 6mm hardox 400 läpi niin että heilahti.
Tosiaan, nyt vasta katselin tarkemmin taulukkoa. Amet 10m/osumalta suojaavan teräslevyn paksuus:
5.56x45, SS109 FMJ 4g luoti 950m/s = 6mm
7.62x51, Nato 9.5g FMJ luoti 830m/s = 6mm
7.62x39, 8g FMJ 720m/s = 4mm
7.62x51 Nato 9.5g FMJ 800m/s = 5.5mm
7.62x51 Nato AP 9.8g 820m/s = 14.5mm
7.62x39 AP 7.65g, 740m/s = 13mm
5.56x45 Ball SS92/M193 3.65g FMJ 970m/s = 10mm
Merkillepantavaa on se, että yllättäen "hernepyssy" 223Rem:iltä suojautumiseen tarvitaankin enemmän ainevahvuutta. :shock: mitämitä? Eihän sen nyt näin pitänyt mennä... :lol: :wink:
Nopealle standardi Nato-3.6g FMJ luodille 10mm vs. 308 Nato-9.5g FMJ 6mm.
Siis 308:lta suojautumiseen tarvitaan n. 35% vähemmän ainepaksuutta.
Tai toinen vertailu, 5.56x45 3.6g FMJ:n läpäisy on 2.5 kertaa suurempi vrt. 7.92x39 8g FMJ.
Hmmm...iso nopeus/pieni halkaisija ilmeisesti aikaansaavat huiman läpäisyn vaikka itse projektiili on niin kevyt. Enpäs olisi ihan herkästi moista uskonut jos joku Esson baarissa olisi tullut asiaa esittämään.
Peijakas kun lähteessä ei puhuta 5.56x45 AP:stä mitään, saavat turhaan muut tasoitusta...
Kuitenkin eräs AP-luotivalmistaja (Bofors?) mainitsee että:
"The 5.56 AP round penetrates 12 mm armour plate of 300 HB at 100 m."
thihihii...mitens tämä nyt näin voi olla.
Eihän 223:lla pitänyt pystyä läpäisemään mitään isompiinsa verrattuna...
Heh, toivottavasti moderaattori sallii pienet lämminhenkiset kuittailut.
Eihän tässä nyt mistään kuolemanvakavasta ollut edes kysymys. Eihän? :)
Lainaus käyttäjältä: JL
Tosiaan, nyt vasta katselin tarkemmin taulukkoa. Amet 10m/osumalta suojaavan teräslevyn paksuus:
5.56x45, SS109 FMJ 4g luoti 950m/s = 6mm
7.62x51, Nato 9.5g FMJ luoti 830m/s = 6mm
7.62x39, 8g FMJ 720m/s = 4mm
7.62x51 Nato 9.5g FMJ 800m/s = 5.5mm
7.62x51 Nato AP 9.8g 820m/s = 14.5mm
7.62x39 AP 7.65g, 740m/s = 13mm
5.56x45 Ball SS92/M193 3.65g FMJ 970m/s = 10mm
Merkillepantavaa on se, että yllättäen "hernepyssy" 223Rem:iltä suojautumiseen tarvitaankin enemmän ainevahvuutta. :shock: mitämitä? Eihän sen nyt näin pitänyt mennä... :lol: :wink:
Nopealle standardi Nato-3.6g FMJ luodille 10mm vs. 308 Nato-9.5g FMJ 6mm.
Maallikon silmiin vaikuttaa varsin lyhyeltä matkalta TA-toiminnassa tuo 10m, mutta suotakoon se kun on pyssytkin pieniä...
:D
tuossa saattaisi olla virhe m193:nenhan on tunnettu sirpaloitumistaipumuksestaan(muisti pettää?) jolloin ei ole ehkä noin paljon läpäisyä verrattuna ss109.
tuo voisi olla ap:n tulos kun kerran hb300 12mm @100m niin hb500 10mm @10m. Näyttäisi järkevältä.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: mpmasa
tuossa saattaisi olla virhe m193:nenhan on tunnettu sirpaloitumistaipumuksestaan(muisti pettää?) jolloin ei ole ehkä noin paljon läpäisyä verrattuna ss109.
tuo voisi olla ap:n tulos kun kerran hb300 12mm @100m niin hb500 10mm @10m. Näyttäisi järkevältä.
Löytyi peijakkaan mielenkiintoinen artikkeli jossa 7.62NATO vs 5.56NATO asiaa pohditaan oikein tosisaan jonkin virallisen tahon toimesta.
Ei tässä auta kuin olla sitä mieltä, että SS109 standardipatruunalla 5.56 on kyllä perhanan tehokas liivejä ja panssarointia vastaan.
Pitäis kyllä riittää TA-käyttöönkin... :wink:
The penetration results obtained by the NSMATCC with the
5.56mm SS109 cartridge are impressive. The SS109 can penetrate
the 3.45mm standard NATO steel plate to 640 meters, while the
7.62mm ball can only penetrate it to 620 meters. The U. S. steel
helmet penetration results are even more impressive as the SS109
can penetrate it up to 1,300 meters, while the 7.62mm ball cannot
penetrate it beyond 800 meters. These comparisons however, do
not consider the fact that the SS109 uses a semi-armor piercing,
steel-cored projectile, while the 7.62mm ball uses a relatively
soft anti-personnel, lead-cored projectile. A semi-armor
piercing 7.62mm caliber projectile, using second generation
technology as the SS109, would easily out-perform the smaller
SS109 projectile in penetration tests at all ranges.22 With
respect to barrier and fortification penetration tests, the
7.62mm ball projectile can consistently penetrate two test
building blocks, while the SS109 semi-armor piercing projectile
cannot penetrate a single block. In light of these
considerations, the idea of SS109 penetration superiority over
the 7.62 x 51mm is not valid.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1986/MVT.htm
Ihan mielenkiintoinen artikkeli. Paljonkohan tuon SS109n BC on?
Perään toinen lainaus samasta raportista:
New technological developments in body armor and individual
protection, such as kevlar and other light-weight ceramic and
composite armor, may soon defeat the penetration capability of
the small 5.56mm SS109 projectile. For example, the new Soviet
5.45 x 39mm ammunition cannot now penetrate a relatively light
5.8 pound flak jacket composed to Kevlar and a 4.8mm (.19 inch)
sheet of hardened steel plate, even at point blank range.34 The
SS109 however, with its steel penetrator still has this
capability. The primary question is how long will the 5.56mm
SS109 retain this capability? As a second generation
intermediate power cartridge, further improvements in the small
5.56mm SS109 may not be sufficient to defeat new technological
developments in body armor. The 5.56mm SS109 projectile is too
small for much significant improvement.
Moi,
Kun tuossa jo aiemmin otettiin esille kyseinen tutkimus, niin laitetaan se kokonaisuudessaan tähän. Siinähän pohditaan nimenomaan sitä, että 5,56 NATO pitäisi hyllyttää kokonaan ja ainoastaan 7,62 NATOa käyttää:
Lainaa
7.62 mm Versus 5.56 mm - Does NATO
Really Need Two Standard Rifle Calibers
CSC 1986
SUBJECT AREA General
TITLE: 7.62 mm Versus 5.56 mm - Does NATO Really Need Two
Standard Rifle Calibers?
I. Purpose: To reestablish the 7.62mm NATO cartridge as the
optimum rifle caliber ammunition for the U. S. and NATO.
II. Problem: NATO recently adopted the 5.56mm as its second
standard rifle caliber cartridge. As a result, the existing NATO
standard, the 7.62mm, has been relegated to a secondary
supporting role within NATO's armed forces. Although the
selection of the 5.56mm was based on extensive testing, research,
and documented battle performance, this intermediate power round
is not the optimum ammunition and caliber for U. S. and NATO
forces in the contemplated battlefields of the future.
III. Discussion: Proponents of the intermediate power 5.56mm
have continuously compared their smaller cartridge to the large
full power 7.62mm. The results of these comparisons purportedly
show the superiority of the smaller ammunition in the areas of
penetration, lethality, weapon portability, and fire power.
Careful examinaton of these tests and the touted advantages of
the 5.56mm, however, shows that the 7.62mm is still potentially
superior to the smaller round. For example, in the NATO tests,
researchers have compared a modern, semi-armor piercing round of
ammunition (5.56mm) against a standard ball cartidge
(7.62mm) that has not been improved since its adoption in 1953.
An improved 7.62mm NATO, using the same technology as the
5.56mm, would definitely out-perform the smaller cartridge. With
respect to portability, second generation 7.62mm rifles are
smaller, more compact, and very comparable to certain 5.56mm
weapons. Concerning fire power, any full automatic fire with
light assault rifles, even with the low-recoil 5.56mm, is not
effective and only results in a waste of ammunition. In
addition, new tecnological developments in body armor may soon
defeat the penetration capability of the small 5.56mm. New
developments in optical sighting equipment will soon increase
battlefield engagement ranges and thereby exceed the long range
accuracy capability of the smaller 5.56mm. The large case and
projectile of the 7.62mm, however, are more than sufficient to
accept significant improvements in penetration, lethality, and
long range performance. This will allow the 7.62mm to remain
effective on futrure battlefields.
IV. Conclusion: The 5.56mm will, at best, only be an interim
NATO standard. Due to its small size, further improvements of
the 5.56mm will be insufficient to keep up with the changing
requirements of future battlefields. Overall, the older 7.62mm
NATO is a better standard cartridge since it has the capacity and
the flexibility to be significantly improved and thereby remain
effective.
V. Recommendations: The 7.62mm NATO cartridge should be
developed with current technology to improve its penetration,
lethality, and overall-performance. Modern weapons systems
should be further developed to utilize the 7.62mm. No, NATO does
not need two standard rifle calibers.
Major Vern T. Miyagi
Conference Group 6
RESEARCH PAPER
Title
7.62mm Versus 5.56mm - Does NATO Really Need Two Standard Rifle
Calibers?
Thesis Statement
Although the selection of the 5.56 x 45mm cartridge was
based on extensive testing, research, and documented battle
performance, this intermediate power round is not the optimum
ammunition and caliber for U. S. and NATO forces in the
contemplated battlefields of the future.
I. Significance of the Controversy
A. Thesis statement
B. Method of analysis
II. Evolution of the Intermediate Power Cartridge Concept
A. Germany
B. Soviet Union
C. United States
III. Development of the Two Standard NATO Cartidges
A. 7.62 x 51mm NATO
B. 5.56 x 45mm NATO
C. NATO trials
D. Concepts of employment - NATO
IV. Comparison of the 7.62mm With the 5.56mm
A. Physical characteristics and ballistics
B. Penetration
C. Portability and weight
D. Firepower
V. Analysis
A. Problems with the NATO comparisons and tests
B. Factors not considered in the NATO tests
C. Effects of technological advances in optical sights and
body armor on the initial imtermediate power concepts
D. Potential for improvement and development - 5.56mm v.
7.62mm
E. Lethality of improved round is reduced
F. Potenial ineffectiveness on NATO scenario battlefields
7.62 mm Versus 5.56 mm - Does NATO Really Need Two Standard Rifle
Calibers?
On 28 October 1980, after more than four years of extensive
testing at the German Infantry School at Hammelburg, Federal
Republic of Germany, the NATO Small Arms Test Control Commission
(NSMATCC) appoved the standardization of a second rifle caliber
cartridge. The cartidge selected was the intermediate power
5.56 x 45mm (.223 Caliber) and the improved Belgian version, the
SS109, was selected as the basis for standardization.1 As a
result, NATO now has two standard rifle caliber cartridges, the
full power 7.62 x 51mm NATO (.308 Caliber), in service since
1953, and the new intermediate power 5.56 x 45mm NATO adopted in
1980. Although the selection of the 5.56 x 45mm cartridge was
based on extensive testing, research, and documented battle per-
formance, this intermediate power round is not the optimum ammu-
nition and caliber for U. S. and NATO forces in the contemplated
battlefields of the future. Let's examine the concept of inter-
mediate power rifle ammunition, the evolution of the two standard
NATO rifle cartridges, their advantages and disadvantages, and
discuss why the older, full power 7.62 x 51mm NATO cartridge can
better satisfy the present and future tactical needs of the
individual NATO rifleman.
The concept of intermediate power rifle cartridges began in
Germany prior to World War II. The standard German rifle car-
tridge used since 1888 was the full power 7.92 x 57mm which
propelled a 198 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,550 feet
per second (fps) or 773 meters per second (mps). Comprehensive
studies of the actual distances over which rifle fire was em-
ployed and of the marksmanship capabilities of the average German
infantryman, especially during the heat of battle, convinced
German researchers that a smaller, substantially less-powerful,
and lighter cartridge would be more than adequate. In addition,
the adoption of smaller intermediate power cartridges would allow
the development of shorter and lighter rifles, the ability to
carry more rounds of ammunition, and the enhancement of accuracy
due to lighter recoil. German research for a new intermediate
round commenced in 1934, and in 1938 a new intermediate cartridge
was adopted and designated the 7.9 mm Infanterie Kurz Patrone
(7.9 mm Kurz). This cartridge propelled a small 125 grain bullet
at a relatively moderate muzzle velocity of 2,100 fps (636 mps),
Paralleling the evolution of the 7.9 mm Kurz was the development
of a new, compact, select-fire rifle chambered for the new ammu-
nition. In 1940, two designs were accepted for field testing and
were extensively used on the Russian front. The final version
"Sturmgewehr" or assault rifle, the MP43, was adopted in 1943 and
significant numbers were produced prior to the end of the war.
This weapon utilized a thirty round magazine and could provide
both semiautomatic and full automatic fire. Althought the MP43,
with a fully loaded thiry round magazine, was more than three
pounds heavier than the standard bolt-action Kar 98k rifle, the
new weapon's performance in the field was excellent due to the
terrific firepower now available to the German infantryman.2
The effectiveness of the new rifle and ammunition did not go
unnoticed by Soviet forces, especially since they were the first
recipients of its firepower. Captured rifles and ammunition were
carefully studied, and in 1943 an intermediate power cartridge
designed by Soviet engineers, N. M. Elizarov and B. V. Semin, was
adopted by the Soviet Union. This cartridge was designated the
7.62 x 39mm Model 1943 and consisted of a 125 grain bullet with a
muzzle velocity of 2,200 fps (667 mps). Due to wartime materiel
and production shortages, the first weapon designed to use this
new ammunition, the SKS Carbine, was not adopted until 1946. One
year later, the famous AK-47, designed by M. Kalashnikov, was
formally adopted by the Soviet armed forces.3 In 1974, a product
improved version of the same basic design, the AKS74 rifle, was
adopted by the Soviet army. The AKS74 is chambered for a new 5.45
x 39mm (.221 Caliber) cartridge, very similar to our own 5.56 x
45mm NATO. The Soviets also adopted, at the same time, a new
5.45mm squad automatic weapon, called RPK74.4 These recent
changes in Soviet small arms development are very important
because they closely parallel the small arms concepts of the
U. S. and NATO.
Like the Germans and Soviets, the U. S. also experimented
with intermediate power cartridges during World War II. Designed
as a replacement for the pistol and submachine gun during World
War II, the U. S. .30 Caliber M1 and M2 carbines fires lighter
and smaller .30 caliber cartridges (7.62 x 33mm). This cartridge
propelled a small round-nosed 115 grain bullet at an initial
velocity of 1,970 fps (597 mps). The carbine and its cartridge,
however, were designed for issue only to officers, non-commis-
sioned officers, service troops, and members of heavy weapons
crews. The carbine, with its intermediate power cartridge, was
never designed to replace the M1 Garand and its full power .30
Caliber M2 (30-06) ammuntion. Over six million carbines were
produced during World War II and the Korean War. Although the
carbines were light, compact, had a select fire capability (M2
model), and utilized magazines with capacities of thiry or
fifteen rounds, these weapons eventually came to be unpopular
with U. S. troops due to the limited range and inadequate stop-
ping power of the carbine ammunition. Soon after the Korean War,
the U. S. M1 and M2 Carbines were retired from service.5
Such was the evolution of the intermediate power cartridge
concepts in Germany, the Soveit Union, and the United States
during the 1940's. Lets now take a look at the development of
the 7.62 x 51mm NATO and the 5.56 x 45mm NATO during the 1950's
and 1960's
The first standard NATO cartridge, the 7.62 x 51mm NATO, was
developed by the United States as a successor to the .30 Caliber
M2 round (30-06), which had served as the standard U. S. rifle
cartridge since 1906. The .30 Caliber M2 cartridge propelled a
150 grain projectile at a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps (848 mps)
and served the U. S. very effectively in the 1903 Springfield and
M1 Garand service rifles, the Browning automatic rifle, and the
heavy and light models of the Browning machine guns. Although
the M1 Garand was very effective and highly praised during its
service as the standard U. S. rifle in World War II and Korea,
many infantrymen desired a lighter weapon with greater ammunition
capacity and a select-fire capability.6 Many soldiers attemped
to use the M2 carbine as a replacement for the M1 Garand, but
this proved unsatisfactory due to the inadequate power of the
carbine ammuniton. In September 1945, after conducting prelimi-
nary tests to improve the M1 rifle, the U. S. Ordnance Technical
Committee turned its attention to the development of a new and
lighter rifle cartridge that would replace the .30 Caliber M2
round. This interest in a new cartridge was influenced by the
battlefield success of the German 7.9mm Kurz, and Soviet adop-
tion of their Kalashnikov light assault rifles using the new 7.62
x 39mm Model 43 intermediate power ammunition. As the develop-
ment of the new U. S. service rifle cartidge progressed, however,
traditionalism took hold as U. S. Army participants began to feel
that the intermediate power ammuniton, used by the Soviets and
the Germans, were too limited in their effective combat ranges
and power to satisfy U. S. infantry requirements. The result was
a compromise. The Ordnance Technical Committee came up with a
shortened version of the old .30 caliber M2 cartidge. This new
cartridge, designated the 7.62 x 51mm T65, was not an inter-
mediate power round. Although shorter by a half inch than the old
Caliber .30 M2 round, it still propelled a 147 grain bullet at a
muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps (848 mps) -- essentially identical
to the old .30 Caliber M2 round. Newly developed ball powder
allowed the use of smaller cartridge case to produce pressures
and velocities identical to the old full power .30 Caliber M2
round.7
Final U. S. adoption of the new 7.62 x 51mm T65 cartridge
depended upon the acceptance of the new round by members of the
NATO alliance. During the early 1950's, the British conducted
their own tests to determine the optimum rifle ammunition for
their troops. They concluded that a .280 Caliber (7 mm)
cartridge was the ideal rifle caliber. The proposed British
cartridge was a true intermediate power cartridge based on German
experience and Soviet developments. In 1953, after much
political debate, the U. S. 7.62 x 51mm T65 round was finally
adopted by the NATO Alliance as its standard rifle caliber
cartidge. In 1957, after numerous trails, the U. S. finally
adopted the M14 rifle as its new standard 7.62mm NATO caliber
service rifle. The other members of NATO adopted either the
German G3 or the Belgian FN FAL as their standard 7.62mm NATO
caliber service rifles.8
The 5.56 x 45mm cartridge and the M16 rifle was originally
developed and unilaterally adopted by the United States in 1963
for initial employment in Southeast Asia. A resurgence of U. S.
interest in intermediate power rifle cartridges developed soon
after the 7.62 x 51mm NATO was adopted in 1953. A series of
tests, commissioned by the U. S. Army and conducted by the Opera-
tions Research Organization (ORO), concluded that the rifle was
seldom used effectively by U. S. troops at ranges in excess of
300 meters (330 yds). This conclusion was based on studies of
actual battles involving U. S. soldiers. According to the ORO
studies, the inability of U. S. soldiers to effectively engage
targets beyond 300 meters was due to their inability, under
battle conditions, to see and identify targets beyond that
range.9 The ORO studies, however, failed to consider whether the
enemy targets were behind heavy brush, or barriers such as
sandbags, dirt berms, and coconut logs when fired on by U. S.
soldiers. The study assumed that there was nothing between the
firer and the target to impede the flight of the rifle projec-
tile. Concurrently, ballistic experiments, conducted as part of
the U. S. Army Project Caliber, demonstrated the small high
velocity bullets, ranging in caliber from .222 to .257 inches and
weighing only 40 to 55 grains, were very effective at ranges up
to 400 meters.10 As a result of these studies, the Continental
Army Command (CONARC) asked selected commercial arms organiza-
tions to develop high velocity .223 Cal (5.56mm) ammunition and
light weight assault rifles chambered for them. After extensive
testing of candidate weapons and ammunition submitted by various
manufacturers, CONARC selected the AR15 rifle and the 5.56 x 45mm
ammunition, both developed by Eugene Stoner of the Armalite
Division of the Fairchild Aircraft Engine Corporation. The 5.56
x 45mm cartidge was derived from the .222 Remington and .22
Hornet commercial cartridges used by small game hunters
throughout the United States. After some modifications for mili-
tary use, the AR15 and its 5.56 x 45mm, cartridge were accepted by
CONARC and designated as the M16 and the M193, respectively.11
The M193 cartridge, as finally accepted by CONARC, propelled a
small 55 grain bullet at an inital velocity of 3,180 fps (964
mps) through the standard 20 inch barrel of the M16. Test
weapons and ammunition were sent to Southeast Asia in 1962 for
combat field analysis. The reports from both U. S. and allied
forces were very good and consequently, in 1963, Secretary of
Defense McNamara ordered the cessation of M14 production and
announced the purchase of 85,000 M16 rifles for the Army and
19,000 for the Air Force. Subsequent performance of the M16 in
Vietnam was marred by frequent jamming caused by improper and
insufficient maintenance in the field. Performance quickly im-
proved as chrome barrels and chambers were used in the newer
M16A1 model, and proper maintenance procedures were employed by
troops in the field. The U. S. finally had adopted an inter-
mediate power fifle cartridge and a true light-weight assault
weapon to use it.12
The adoption of the 5.56 x 45mm cartridge and the M16 rifle
put the U. S. into the situation of having two standard service
rifles. The initial U. S. Army employment concept called for the
issue of the M16 to special operations and airborne troops, and
to troops in Southeast Asia. The M14 would still be issued to
troops stationed in Europe of assigned to NATO.13 This initial
concept proved to be logistically impractical and, eventually,
all U. S. troops were issued the new M16 rifle and 5.56 x 45mm
ammunition.
Based on the overall success of the 5.56mm ammunition in
Southeast Asia, after the initial problems with the M16 were
solved, other nations began to produce assault type rifles using
the U. S. 5.56 x 45mm ammunition. In order to standardize the
use and procurement of 5.56mm ammunition among member nations,
NATO commenced formal adoption trials for a second small rifle
caliber cartridge in 1976. The Belgian product-improved version
of the U. S. M193 5.56 x 45mm cartridge was adopted by the
alliance in 1980.
The current NATO concept of employment calls for the issue
of the 5.56mm weapons to individual riflemen, members of crew-
served weapon teams, support troops, and officers and NCO's. The
current NATO concept also includes the development and adoption
of a squad automatic weapon (SAW) in 5.56 x 45mm NATO caliber.
The goal of NATO small arms employment is to ensure ammunition
interchangeability at the basic infantry squad level. The full
power 7.62 x 51mm NATO remains the standard ammunition for the
heavier belt-fed medium machine guns (M60, MG3, and FN MAG)
employed with infantry weapons squads, weapons platoons, and as
vehicle mounted support weapons.14 In addition, specialized
sniper weapons still employ the longer ranged 7.62 x 51mm NATO.
The foregoing paragraphs reviewed the evolution of the
intermediate power cartridge concept, documented the development
of the two standard NATO cartidges, and discussed the current
concept of employment within the NATO alliance. Let's now compare
the two cartidges, examine their strengths and weaknesses, and
analyze why the 7.62 x 51mm NATO is a better rifle cartridge in
the long run for the U. S. and NATO (Table I).
The current production 7.62 x 51mm NATO ball cartridge has
remained unchanged since its adoption by NATO in 1953. As typi-
fied by the U. S. M80 ball and the Belgian M77 ball, this
cartridge propels a 147-grain cupronickel-jacketed lead bullet
at a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps (848 mps). Total cartridge
length and weight are 2.80 inches and 386 grains, respectively.15
Utilizing a standard 22-inch barrel with a rifling twist of one
turn in twelve inches (M14 rifle), the maximum effective range of
the 7.62 x 51mm ball cartridge is listed as 620 meters (682
yds). The U. S. M80 and the Belgian M77 ball projectiles can
penetrate the standard NATO 3.45 mm (.14 inch) thick steel plate
up to a range of 620 meters, and can penetrate one side of the
U. S. steel helmet up to a range of 800 meters (880 yds).16 In
barrier and fortification penetration tests, the 147 grain ball
projectile can consistently penetrate two test building blocks.17
The SS109 5.56mm NATO cartridge is a second generation
intermediate power round developed with 1970's technology. It is
significantly more powerful and effective than the U. S. M193
5.56mm ball round originally used with the M16 rifle. The new
SS109 cartridge propels a heavier 62-grain semi-armor piercing
projectile at an initial velocity of 3,050 fps (924 mps).18 The
improved projectile contains a 10-grain .182 caliber hardened
steel penetrator that ensures penetration at longer ranges.
Total cartridge length and weight are 2.26 inches and 182.0
grains, respectively. The increased length and weight of the new
SS109 projectile requires a faster rifling twist of one turn in
seven inches to fully stabilize the new projectile in
flight.19 The predecessor M193 5.56mm, which used a projectile
weighting only 55 grains, was only marginally stabilized with a
slower rifling twist of one turn in twelve inches. The new
projectile can penetrate the standard NATO 3.45mm steel plate up
to a range of 640 meters (704 yds) and one side of the U. S.
steel helmet up to a range of 1,300 meters (1430 yds).20 In tests
of barrier and fortification penetration however, the steel
penetrator of the SS109 could not pierce any of the test building
blocks.21
The primary advantages of the intermediate power 5.56 x 45mm
NATO cartidge are summarized as follows: (1) the penetration and
power of the SS109 version are superior to the 7.62mm NATO and
more than adequate for the 300-meter average combat range
documented in actual battle (ORO studies): (2) the lower recoil
generated by the 5.56mm cartridge allows more control during full
automatic fire and therefore provides greater firepower to the
individual soldier; (3) the lesser weight of the 5.56mm
ammunition allows the individual soldier to carry more ammunition
and other equipment; (4) the smaller size of the 5.56mm
ammunition allows the use of smaller, lighter, and more compact
rifles and squad automatic weapons and; (5) the lethality of the
5.56mm projectile is greater than the 7.62mm projectile at normal
combat ranges, due to the tendency of the lighter projectile to
tumble or shatter on impact. In summary, the 5.56mm NATO
provides greater firepower and effectiveness than the larger and
heavier 7.62mm NATO. This concept of more for less appears very
convincing, however upon careful analysis, this idea loses its
credibility. Let's examine each of the advantages of the 5.56mm
NATO, compare them to the qualities of the larger 7.62mm NATO,
and discuss some critical factors not addressed by proponents of
the smaller cartridge.
The penetration results obtained by the NSMATCC with the
5.56mm SS109 cartridge are impressive. The SS109 can penetrate
the 3.45mm standard NATO steel plate to 640 meters, while the
7.62mm ball can only penetrate it to 620 meters. The U. S. steel
helmet penetration results are even more impressive as the SS109
can penetrate it up to 1,300 meters, while the 7.62mm ball cannot
penetrate it beyond 800 meters. These comparisons however, do
not consider the fact that the SS109 uses a semi-armor piercing,
steel-cored projectile, while the 7.62mm ball uses a relatively
soft anti-personnel, lead-cored projectile. A semi-armor
piercing 7.62mm caliber projectile, using second generation
technology as the SS109, would easily out-perform the smaller
SS109 projectile in penetration tests at all ranges.22 With
respect to barrier and fortification penetration tests, the
7.62mm ball projectile can consistently penetrate two test
building blocks, while the SS109 semi-armor piercing projectile
cannot penetrate a single block. In light of these
considerations, the idea of SS109 penetration superiority over
the 7.62 x 51mm is not valid.
The concept that greater firepower can be achieved by provi-
ding as much infantrymen with a full automatic fire capability is
not realistic. Battle experience has shown that full automatic
fire from light assault rifles is largely ineffective and only
resutls in the expenditure of large quantities of ammunition.
Even with the lower recoil generated by 5.56mm ammunition, auto-
matic fire dispersion is still too large to be effective.23 Fire
power is normally equated with maximum "steel" on target, not with
maximum steel in the general direction of the target. Full
automatic fire with the 5.56mm NATO just as wasteful and
Confirming this view is the fact that second generation assault
rifles, such as the U. S. M16A2 and Belgian FN FNC, are not
employing a 3-shot burst control in lieu of a full automatic
capability.24 With this burst control feature, a thirty round
magazine produces only ten bursts. Do we need thirty rounds to
successfully hit and incapacitate ten enemy targets? Even with
3-shot burst control and the lower impulse of the 5.56mm
ammunition, shot dispersion is still too large to be effective.
Perhaps a single well-aimed 147 grain 7.62mm bullet would have
more effect than three rounds of 5.56mm fired in the burst
control mode. As a result, the lower recoil and impulse of the
5.56mm ammuntion does not provide greater fire power since full
automatic fire from an individual assault rifle is largely
ineffective and only wastes ammunition.
A great deal of emphasis has been placed, during the
development of intermediate power ammunition, on ammunition
weight. It is a fact that 5.56-mm NATO ammunition weight only
47% as much as 7.62 mm NATO ammunition. This weight reduction
advantage however, comes with a corresponding disadvantage in the
power and effectiveness of the ammuntion. The 5.56mm NATO
cartridge was originally derived from commercial small game and
varmint cartridges used by hunters throughout the United States.
In most States, the .223 Remington cartridge, the commercial
version of the 5.56 x 45mm NATO, is outlawed for use against
deer-sized or larger game. This restriction even includes the
explosive hollow-point versions using 68-grain projectiles.
Years of hunting experience has shown that the small 5.56 x 45mm
cartridge is incapable of consistently stopping deer-sized or
larger game. Consequently, this cartridge is limited to game
such as woodchucks, gophers, turkeys, and prairie dogs.25 Is
this cartridge really adequate for human-sizes targets?
Soldiers can definitely carry more 5.56mm ammunition, but will
they be carrying more effective ammunition? As a case in point,
battle experience in the Philippines, between government troops
(armed with the 5.56mm M16A1) and Communist rebels (armed with
vintage .30 Caliber M1 Garand and Browning automatic rifles), has
shown that the greater penetration capability of the older full
power cartridge gave the rebels superior effective firepower.26
Another stated advantage of the smaller 5.56mm NATO
cartridge concerns the employment of shorter and lighter weapons.
Current versions of the Israeli Galil and FN FAL Paratroop rifles,
however, both in 7.62mm caliber, weigh only nine to ten pounds
fully loaded with twenty-round magazines. These 7.62mm NATO
weapons also have shorter barrels and folding stocks that make
them very compact. The new U. S. M16A2 and the new Belgian FN
FNC, both second generation 5.56mm NATO assault rifles, weigh
approximately eight27 and ten pounds,28 respectively, when fully
loaded with thirty-round magazines. The purported reductions in
weight and improvements in compactness are really not significant.
The lethality of the original M193 5.56mm projectile is
awesome, at ranges under 200 meters, due to the tendency of the
marginally stable 55-grain bullet to tumble or shatter on impact
with any target. Lethality of the M193 5.56mm projectile beyond
200 meters, however, falls very sharply as range increases and
velocity decreases.29 The lethality of the new SS109 5.56mm
projectile on the battlefield is questionable. The SS109
projectile is longer and heavier than the M193 projectile and is
more stabilized in flight with the faster rifling twist used in
second generation assault rifles. The emphasis, in the develop-
ment of te SS109 projectile, was to increase stability and
therefore penetration at longer ranges. The increased flight
stability of the new SS109 projectile does effectively enhance
penetration at longer ranges, but this same stability reduces the
projectile's tendency to tumble or shatter upon target im-
pact.30 As a result, the emphasis on penetration in the new
SS109 projectile may result in a sharp decrease in lethality, as
compared to its predecessor M193 cartridge.
The adoption of intermediate power ammuntion by a large
number of countries was based on the limited ability of the
average soldier to discern and identify targets under battle
conditions. The U. S. Army's ORO studies during the 1950's,
confirmed these ideas and established 300 meters as the practical
range limit for rifles under battle conditions. The ORO studies,
however, failed to consider the technological advances of the
1970's and 1980's in the area of optical weapons sights. The
battle proven British Trilux optical sight, with a four power
magnification, has been employed by the British effectively on
their 7.62mm FN FALs for many years.31 Their newly adopted 5.56mm
NATO individual weapon, the SA 80, utilizes a built-in version of
the Trilux called the SUSAT.32 The Austrian developed 5.56mm
NATO assault rifle, the AUG, employs a 1.5 power optical sight
built in to the weapon's carrying handle.33 The U. S. Army is
also considering a new optical sight for its version of the
M16A2. These improved optical sights greatly increase the
average soldier's ability to see and identify enemy targets at
longer ranges. As the soldier's ability to engage targets beyond
the 300 to 400 meter NATO limitation increases, the long range
accuracy limitations of the 5.56mm SS109 projectile will become
evident. The 62-grain 5.56mm NATO projectile is significantly
more affected by weather conditions than the heavier projectile
of the 7.62mm NATO. For example, at 400 meters the required
windage adjustment for a 10 mph crosswind for the SS109 cartridge
is approximately 9 clicks into the wind using the M16A2 sights.
Under the same conditions, the required windage adjustment for
the 7.62mm NATO cartridge is only 4 clicks using the M14 sights.
The larger sight adjustment, required for the SS109 projectile,
produces a greater margin of error that increases as distance
increases. As the potential rifle engagement distances
increase, due to improvements in optical sights, the limited
accracy potential of the small 5.56mm NATO projectile will
severely limit any benefits that may be derived from such optical
improvements.
New technological developments in body armor and individual
protection, such as kevlar and other light-weight ceramic and
composite armor, may soon defeat the penetration capability of
the small 5.56mm SS109 projectile. For example, the new Soviet
5.45 x 39mm ammunition cannot now penetrate a relatively light
5.8 pound flak jacket composed to Kevlar and a 4.8mm (.19 inch)
sheet of hardened steel plate, even at point blank range.34 The
SS109 however, with its steel penetrator still has this
capability. The primary question is how long will the 5.56mm
SS109 retain this capability? As a second generation
intermediate power cartridge, further improvements in the small
5.56mm SS109 may not be sufficient to defeat new technological
developments in body armor. The 5.56mm SS109 projectile is too
small for much significant improvement.
It has also been maintained, by intermediate caliber propo-
nents, that the 5.56 x 45mm cartridge has proven itself in battle
since its adoption by the U. S. in 1963. In most of these
conflicts, however, the 5.56mm weapons were employed against
opponents armed with Soviet weapons also using intermediate power
ammunition. When the 5.56mm weapon comes up against an opponent
armed with weapons using full-power ammunition, such as in the
Philippine example cited previously, the 5.56mm armed soldier
finds himself at a severe disadvantage.
The "obvious" advantages of the 5.56 x 45 mm NATO are not
obvious at all. The SS109 is a definite improvement over the
first generation M193 cartridge however, at best it will serve
only as an interim standard. As technological improvements in
optical sights extend the practical engagement distances for
rifle fire, and as improvements in body armor require greater and
greater power from the rifle cartridge, the SS109 and other
5.56mm caliber ammunition will have to give way to improve and
more powerful ammunition, such as the 7.62mm NATO. The 7.62 x
51mm NATO has not been improved or modified since its adoption by
NATO in 1953. This larger cartridge has a greater capacity for
growth and technological improvement and should be developed to
its potential now. The large size of the 147-grain 7.62 mm
projectile is more than sufficient to incorporate significant
improvements in lethality and penetration. We must capitalize on
the Soviet trend toward their 5.45mm caliber weapons by improving
our full power 7.62mm NATO ammunition and designing better and
more efficient weapons to use it. We have a chance to totally
outclass Soviet small arms in the area of individual and squad
weapons. Let's do it by upgrading the existing 7.62 mm NATO to
its full potential.
During the years just prior to World War II, the Imperial
Japanese Army replaced their 6.5mm (.256 Caliber) rifle ammuni-
tion with a 7.7mm (.303 Caliber) cartridge due to the smaller
round's poor lethality and its inability to penetrate barriers
and effectively stop enemy troops. During the same period, the
Italians replaced their 6.5mm rifle ammunition with a 7.35mm
(.301 Caliber) cartridge for the same reasons. Lets learn from
their examples and concentrate now on the development and
improvement of the 7.62mm NATO round. No, NATO does not need
two standard rifle caliblers.
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Footnotes
1Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) Pp. 57,61.
2IBID, Pp. 514 - 519.
3IBID, Pp. 34 - 35.
4Andrew C. Tillman, "IDR Test Fires the AKS74,"
International Defense Review, October 1983, Pp. 1427 - 1428.
5Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) Pp. 779 - 784.
6Edward C. Ezell, The Great Rifle Controversy (Harrisburg:
Stackpole Books, 1984) P. 41.
7IBID, Pp. 57 - 61.
8IBID, Pp. 92 - 103.
9Norman Hitchman, Operational Requirements For An Infantry
Hand Weapon (Chevy Chase: Operations Research Office - The John
Hopkins University Publications, 1952) Pp. 2 - 3.
10William C. Benjamin Jr. and Joseph Dubay, The Effect of
Rifle Caliber and Muzzle Velocity on Experimental Probabilities
of Hitting as Obtained from Project Caliber (Aberdeen: Ballistic
Research Laboratories Report No. 964, 1955) Pp. 29 - 30.
11Edward C. Ezell, The Great Rifle Controversy (Harrisburg:
Stackpole Books, 1984) P. 172.
12IBID, P. 192
13IBID, P. 195.
14Herman Van Assche, "Small Arms and Their Ammunition - The
NATO Competition, "NATO's Fifteen Nations, August - September,
1981, Pp. 92-93.
15R. T. Huntington, Small-Caliber Ammunition Identification
Guide Vol 1 (Army Material Development and Readiness Command,
Foreign Service and Technology Center, June 1978) Pp. 32.
16Pierre Crevecoeur, "The Belgian SS-109 Round - Baseline
for NATO's Second Caliber Ammunition," International Defense
Review, March 1981, P. 302.
17Andrew C. Tillman, "IDR Tests the M16A2 Assault Rifle,"
International Defense Review, September 1984, P. 1353.
18IBID, P. 1353
19Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) Pp. 59-60.
20Pierre Crevecoeur, "The Belgian SS-109 Round - Baseline
for NATO's Second Caliber Ammunition," International Defense
Review, March 1981, P. 302.
21Andrew C. Tillman, "IDR Tests the M16A2 Assault Rifle,"
International Defense Review, September 1984, P. 1353.
22Edward C. Ezell, "NATO Small Arms Debate," International
Defense Review, March 1981, P. 297.
23Andrew C. Tillman, "IDR Tests the M16A2 Assault Rifle,"
International Defense Review, September 1984, P. 1352.
24Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) Pp. 64, 255.
25Jack S. Chase, "Are We Arming American Soldiers to Flight
an Army of Woodchucks?" Armed Forces Journal International,
October 1981, Pp. 24 - 26.
26Interview with LTC Wenceslao Cruz, Philippine Marine
Corps, March 3, 1986.
27Andrew C. Tillman, "IDR Tests the M16A2 Assault Rifle,"
International Defense Review, September 1984, P. 1351.
28Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) P. 255.
29Andrew C. Tillman, "IDR Test the M16A2 Assault Rifle,"
International Defense Review, September 1984, P. 1353.
30Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) P. 60.
31W. J. G. Hancock, "The TRILUX Infantry Sight Unit,"
International Defense Review, April 1973, Pp. 113 - 114.
32Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) Pp. 298 - 301.
33IBID, P. 223.
34Andrew C. Tillman, "IDR Tests the AK74," International
Defense Review, October 1983, Pp 1429 -1430.
35Edward C. Ezell, Small Arms of the World, 12th Revised
Edition (Harrisburg: Stackpole Books, 1983) P. 603.
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2. Chase, Jack S. "Are We Arming American Soldiers to Fight an
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Cart. W. L. Prop.Type Prop.W. Bullet W. Chamber Pres. Velocity
5.56mm Ball, M193 182gr 2.26" WC844 or CMR170 28.5 or 26.5gr 56gr 52,000psi 3250fps at 15' from muzzle
5.56mm Grenade, M195 126gr 1.9" IMR4475 25gr 56gr 140-165fps at 66" from muzzle
5.56mm Tracer, M196 177gr 2.26" WC844 or IMR8208M 28.5gr, 25.3gr or CMR170 26.5gr 54gr 52,000psi 3200fps at 15' from muzzle
5.56mm Ball, M855 190gr 2.26" WC844 26.1gr 62gr 55,000psi 3025fps at 78' from muzzle
5.56mm Tracer, M856 191gr 2.26" WC844 24.7gr 63.7gr 55,000psi 2870fps at 78' from muzzle
5.56mm Armor Piercing, M995 180gr 2.25" WCR845 27.5gr 52gr 50,250psi 3324fps at 78' from muzzle
7.62mm Ball, M59 393gr 2.8" WC846 46gr 150.5gr 50,000psi 2750fps at 78' from muzzle
7.62mm Armor Piercing, M61 393gr 2.8" IMR4475 41gr 150.5gr 50,000psi 2750fps at 78' from muzzle
7.62mm Tracer, M62 383gr 2.8" WC846 46gr 142gr 50,000psi 2750fps at 78' from muzzle
7.62mm Grenade, M64 295gr 2" WC8:30 45gr 142gr 50,000psi 160fps at 5' from muzzle
7.62mm Ball, Special, M118 390gr 2.83" WC846 and IMR4895 44gr 172gr 50,000psi 2640fps at
7.62mm Dim Tracer, M276 381gr 2.8" WC846 46gr 140-150gr 50,000psi 2750fps (CMRS), 2680fps (GM) at 78' from muzzle
7.62mm Armor Piercing, M993 362.6gr 2.8" Bonfors NC1290 45gr 126.6gr 55,115psi 2985fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Incendiary, M1 1744gr 5.45" WC860 240gr 54,000psi 2950fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Tracer, M1 1785gr 5.45" IMR5010 240gr 52,000psi 2700fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Ball, M2 1813gr 5.45" WC860 235gr 55,000psi 2810fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Armor Piercing, M2 1812gr 5.45" WC860 235gr 53,000psi 2810fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Armor Piercing Incendiary, M8 1gr 5.45" WC860 233gr 622.5gr 59,000psi 2910fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Tracer, M10 1752gr 5.45" IMR5010 240gr 54,000psi 2860fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Tracer, M17 1732gr 5.45" IMR5010 225gr 54,000psi 2860fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Armor Piercing Incendiary-Tracer, M20 1718gr 5.45" IMR5010 230gr 619gr 55,000psi 2910fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Incendiary, M23 1581gr 5.45" IMR4831 237gr 58,000psi 3400fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Ball, M33 1762gr 5.45" WC860 235gr 55,000psi 2910fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Saboted Light Armor Penetrator (SLAP), M903 1466gr 5.45" WC856 275gr 355-360gr 55,000psi 4000fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Saboted Light Armor Penetrator-Tracer (SLAP-T), M962 1466gr 5.45" WC856 282gr 350-360gr 55,000psi 4000fps at 78' from muzzle
Caliber .50 Armor Penetrator Incendiary (API), MK 211 MOD 0 1765gr 5.45" WC860 / MR5010 or RA-NC-167 233gr 671gr 55,000psi 2910fps +30 at 78' from muzzle
Caliber & Type Index Bullet Type Bullet Weight Bullet Velocity Max. Pressure Mpa Cartridge
Gram Grain Length (mm) Weight
(g)
5.45x39 7H6 SC 3.42 50 870-890 308.90 57.0 10.5
5.45x39 7H10 EP 3.61 56 870-890 321.20 57.0 10.7
5.45x39 7H22 AP 3.68 57 870-890 321.20 57.0 10.75
5.45x39 7X3 BLANK - - - - 56.8 6.6
7.62x39 57-H-231C SC 7.90 122 710-725 299.10 56.0 16.3
7.62x39 7H23 AP 7.90 122 725-740 299.10 56.0 16.3
7.62x39 57-X-231 BLANK - - - - 48.2 8.2
7.62x54R 7H13 EP 9.56 148 820-835 284.40 77.16 21.72
5.56x45 NATO SC 4.00 62 900-920 360.00 57.4 11.1
5.56x45 NATO AP 4.00 62 900-920 360.00 57.40 11.1
7.62x51 NATO SC 9.45 146 820-835 360.00 71.00 21.9
7.62x51 NATO AP 9.43 146 820-835 360.00 71.0 21.9
9x18 57-H-181C SC 5.95 92 V10=290-315 117.70 25.00 9.7
9.3x64 9 OCH 000 SC 16.70 258 755-770 313.80 88.8 35.25
14.4x114 Б-32 57-БЗ-561C API 63.90 986 980-995 323.60 156.0 190.0
PPL 9-A-433 000 Explosive charge for overloading of aviation gun 255.00 60.0 27.1
Legend :
SC - Steel Core bullet
EP - Enhanced Penetration bullet
AP - Armor Piercing bullet
API - Armor Piercing Incendiary bullet
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BASIC BALLISTICS
(Version 4: 26 June 2004)
© Anthony G Williams
I am often asked questions about the basic principles governing ballistics and related issues, so this is an attempt to provide some understanding of the most popular topics without getting too technical. I hasten to say that it has to be a basic guide as I am neither a physicist nor a mathematician, and I dislike complicated formulae. There are computer programmes available for working out advanced problems but I hope this article will at least point people in the right direction.
The study of ballistics is usually divided into three: internal, external and terminal. Internal ballistics concerns what happens between the cartridge being fired and the projectile leaving the muzzle (I will deal with recoil under this heading as well). External ballistics is concerned with the flight of the projectile from the muzzle to the target. Terminal ballistics describes what happens when the target is hit.
INTERNAL BALLISTICS
As soon as the primer ignites the propellant, gas is generated which rapidly builds up a considerable pressure. This pushes the projectile out of the case and up the barrel. The characteristics of propellant powders are such that the peak gas pressures are generated almost immediately, as the projectile begins its trip up the barrel. That is why the gun steel is thickest at this point. As the projectile accelerates up the barrel, it makes space for the gas to expand so gas pressure declines. It is still significant when the projectile leaves the muzzle, resulting in a rapid expansion into the open air causing the characteristic sound of a gun firing. This final expansion, coupled with the end of the friction between the projectile and the barrel, results in a final boost to the projectile so its maximum velocity is attained just beyond the muzzle (although "muzzle velocity" is usually measured at several metres past the muzzle anyway).
Silenced weapons trap the expanding gas to prevent it from bursting violently out of the muzzle, usually by providing it with space to expand within the silencer in a controlled way, to be released slowly afterwards. This is why silencers have to be bulky.
Different weapons operate at different gas pressures; pistols and shotguns generally work at much lower pressures than rifles and automatic cannon. Some 9mm pistol ammunition intended for sub-machine guns is loaded to higher pressures than normal in order to generate higher velocities. It can be dangerous to use this ammunition in a pistol, unless its design is very strong. Rifle and cannon ammunition is generally loaded up to the highest practical pressure level, taking into account barrel wear, the risk of a case being stuck to the chamber and other potential problems.
MUZZLE ENERGY
The cartridge develops a "muzzle energy" figure, either in joules (metric) or foot-pounds (ft lbs). This is calculated as follows (please note that although the correct term is "mass", I have used "weight" instead for easier comprehension. Mass is a constant regardless of gravitational pull, whereas weight depends on the gravity. However, on the Earth's surface the two are effectively the same):
Joules: multiply the projectile weight in grams by the square of the muzzle velocity in metres per second (m/s), then divide the result by 2,000. So a 40g projectile fired at 800 m/s will generate (40 x 800 x 800)/2,000 = 12,800j
Foot-pounds: multiply the projectile weight in pounds by the square of the muzzle velocity in feet per second (fps), then divide the result by 64. Note that there are 7,000 grains in a pound, so for bullet calculations you can enter the weight in grains then divide the resulting calculation by 7,000.
To convert foot-pounds to joules, multiply by 1.348.
To convert joules to foot-pounds, multiply by 0.742.
15.432 grains = 1 gram, 2.205 pounds = 1 kg and 3.281 feet = 1 metre
Note that in developing muzzle energy, muzzle velocity is much more important than projectile weight. Doubling the muzzle velocity of a projectile quadruples its energy, whereas doubling the projectile weight only doubles its energy.
The muzzle energy which is generated by a given amount of propellant will depend on the calibre (spelled "caliber" in the USA) of the gun. Think of the barrel as the cylinder of an engine, and the bullet as a piston. In a small-calibre weapon, the gas has a very small piston area - the base of the bullet - on which to work. As the pressure it can generate is limited, it can only apply a limited amount of force to the bullet. In a larger calibre weapon, the piston area is greater so the same amount of propellant can do more work. This explains why, in the case of a rifle cartridge made in several different calibres (e.g. the .30-06, also made in .25, .27 and .35 calibres), there is usually a direct relationship between the calibre and the muzzle energy generated; the bigger the calibre, the higher the muzzle energy from a given quantity of propellant.
For a given calibre, there is a practical limit to the amount of propellant which can be used. The law of diminishing returns applies, and using bigger cartridge cases holding more propellant will achieve ever-smaller increases in velocity from the extra propellant. A cartridge which is so big as to be unable to use all its propellant efficiently is described as "over bore". Such cartridges have very unpleasant firing characteristics, with high levels of flash and blast, and usually wear out barrels quickly. They also need long barrels to give the necessarily slow-burning propellant time to generate a high velocity, which can be inconvenient.
Incidentally, in any given cartridge different projectile weights may produce different energy levels; typically, an "average" weight for the calibre produces the highest energy, with unusually light or heavy projectiles doing less well. This may in part reflect the characteristics of the propellant, although these are adjustable; heavier projectiles need slower-burning powders to keep the pressure peak down, whereas light projectiles need faster-burning powders to accelerate them quickly enough to reach a high velocity. Very heavy projectiles may protrude deeper into the case, reducing the space for propellant.
What is the maximum velocity which a projectile can be pushed to? This is ultimately limited by the expansion rate of the gas from the burning propellant. In rifles, the practical limit is around 1,200 m/s ( nearly 4,000 fps) achieved in small-calibre guns which only need light bullets (plus a couple of WW2 7.92mm anti-tank rifles). This is also about the maximum velocity for cannon firing conventional full-calibre HE shells. The highest velocities currently achieved are in tank guns firing APFSDS shot, which is extremely light for the caliber and allows velocities to be pushed up to 1,800 m/s (nearly 6,000 fps), which is close to the theoretical limit for conventional powder propellants. To go much faster would require a different technology. There is more on this subject in In Search of High Velocity on this website.
The barrel length in comparison with the calibre is obviously an important factor in muzzle velocity. In cannon calibres, this is expressed as the "calibre length", which is simply the length of the barrel divided by the calibre. For example, the current Bofors 40mm gun has a barrel 2.8m long, and therefore has a calibre length of 70, expressed as L/70. The WW2 Bofors had a less powerful cartridge and needed a calibre length of only L/56.
RECOIL
The recoil force generated by firing a gun has two components; the momentum of the projectile, and of the escaping gas. Projectile momentum is easy to calculate; just multiply the projectile weight by its muzzle velocity (so a cartridge firing a 10g bullet at 1,000 m/s should have the same bullet momentum as one firing a 20g bullet at 500 m/s). Note that this is a different calculation from muzzle energy, as bullet weight and muzzle velocity are of equal value. This explains why in different bullet-weight loadings of the same cartridge which generate the same muzzle energy, the heavy bullet loading will produce heavier recoil.
The recoil caused by the escaping gas - a kind of "rocket effect" - is much more difficult to calculate because it depends on the relationship between the burning characteristics of the propellant and the length of the barrel. If you assume two rifles firing the same cartridge, one with a barrel of optimum length and the other with a much shorter barrel, the optimum length one will produce the higher muzzle velocity and therefore the greater recoil through bullet momentum. However, in the short-barrel gun the gas will be at a higher pressure when the bullet leaves the muzzle, and will therefore expand more violently, causing more muzzle blast and flash and generating a stronger "rocket effect". In this case, a higher proportion of the recoil will be generated by the expanding gas than with the optimum barrel.
For this reason, there is no simple ratio which will tell you exactly what proportion of the recoil is generated by the escaping gas as opposed to the projectile. However, a good approximation can be made, based on the weight multiplied by the velocity of the propellant compared with the weight multiplied by the velocity of the projectile. In a large number of empirical tests, the velocity of the gas escaping from the muzzle of a rifle has been determined to be 1,200 m/s (4,000 fps) plus or minus 10%. In larger high-velocity military weapons, which can operate at very high pressures and velocities, the escaping gas velocity may be significantly higher.
It is therefore fairly simple to work out what proportion of the recoil impulse is generated by the escaping gas. Take for example the 7.62x51 NATO military rifle/MG cartridge in M80 ball loading. This uses 3.0g (46 grains) of propellant to fire a 9.5g (146 grain) bullet at a muzzle velocity of 840 m/s (2,750 fps). The calculation goes like this (the units of measurement don't matter as long as they are used consistently):
Bullet momentum: 9.5 x 840 = 8,000 (rounded). Propellant momentum: 3.0 x 1,200 = 3,600. So the total recoil momentum is 8,000 + 3,600 = 11,600, of which the gas produces 3,600 / 11,600 x 100 = 31%
This figure of around 30% is typical for a medium-velocity rifle cartridge. In a higher-velocity rifle like the 5.56mm NATO it is in the region of 35-40%. In handguns it is much lower, in the region of 10-15%, although in the big Magnums it can exceed 20%. In powerful military cannon it can be as high as 50%.
The only way of reducing the recoil force generated by a cartridge, while maintaining the muzzle energy, is to reduce the effect of the escaping gas by diverting some of it, either to one side or (preferably) to the rear. A device to achieve this is known as a muzzle brake. The extent to which a muzzle brake can reduce recoil obviously depends upon the proportion of the recoil impulse generated by the propellant gas - it gives the greatest benefit in very powerful, high-velocity weapons. One text on military cannon states that an efficient muzzle brake can reduce the recoil impulse by up to 30%. Higher figures are possible, but only by using brakes which are so large that they would be impractical. A disadvantage of a muzzle brake is that the rearwards-deflected gas greatly increases the muzzle blast and noise perceived by the firer, and may also kick up dust, revealing the weapon's position and affecting the user's visibility.
A type of muzzle brake is the compensator. This deflects some of the muzzle blast upwards in order to counteract the tendency for the gun barrel of a hand-held weapon to point upwards as a result of recoil. It is therefore mainly found in powerful handguns, or in automatic weapons like sub-machine guns.
Of course, a recoilless gun deflects most of the gas directly behind the weapon, so in this case the "rocket effect" more or less balances the projectile momentum. However, this requires the use of several times as much propellant as with a conventional gun of the same muzzle energy, so the ammunition is bulky and expensive.
So far I have only discussed the "recoil force" as opposed to the recoil experienced. This is because the recoil experienced depends on the weapon, and on the mounting. In the case of a rifle or handgun, the weight of the weapon has a significant effect. Momentum works both ways, equally (you can't defeat Newton's law of equal and opposite reactions!), so the rearwards momentum of the gun matches the forwards momentum of the bullet plus the expanding gas. It therefore follows that the heavier the weapon, the more slowly it will move backwards under recoil, giving a smooth push rather than the sharper kick of a lighter weapon firing the same ammunition. The recoil momentum experienced by the firer is the same, but it is delivered in a different way; the lighter weapon, recoiling more quickly, has the same momentum but higher energy and is perceived to "kick harder".
For instance, let's take our 7.62x51 NATO cartridge and work out the recoil energy it would generate in different rifles. As we have seen, the cartridge generates a total recoil impulse of 11,600 (grams per metre per second). If a rifle weighs 4.0 kg (8.8.lbs) or 4,000g, it will therefore be pushed back at 11,600 / 4,000 = 2.9 metres per second. 4.0 kg at 2.9 m/s = 17 joules (whereas the cartridge develops 3,350 joules - which shows the importance of velocity in calculating energy). If a lightweight rifle of only 3.0 kg (6.6 lbs) is used to fire the same cartridge, it will be pushed back at 11,600 / 3,000 = 3.9 m/s, producing 23 joules muzzle energy - an increase in recoil energy of 35%, even though the recoil momentum is the same.
To translate this into practical consequences, the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge generates only about double the recoil momentum of the 5.62x45 NATO, but in rifles of the same weight this translates to double the rifle recoil speed, therefore four times the recoil energy. An intermediate military rifle cartridge like the Russian 7.62x39 used in the famous Kalashnikov AK 47 rifle fits about half-way between the 7.62x51 and 5.56x45 in recoil generated; regarded as around the maximum for (just about) controllable automatic fire in a military rifle.
Self-loading weapons, whether recoil or gas-operated, tend to reduce the perceived recoil because some of the energy is used to drive the reloading mechanism. The shape of the weapon can also affect the perceived recoil; in rifles, a "straight" stock which directs the recoil impulse into the shoulder causes less barrel jump than a dropped stock, which has the thrust line over the shoulder. In handguns, a revolver has a higher thrust line than other types and this may also cause more perceived recoil (although in the old-fashioned type of "western" revolver, the grip tends to rotate in the hand, absorbing some of the kick at the cost of considerable muzzle jump).
In heavier military guns which are fitted to mountings, the nature of the mounting can make quite a difference. In all but the lightest weapons, the mounting allows the gun to recoil backwards between shots (there is commonly some kind of buffer). Note that this doesn't reduce the recoil force - only a muzzle brake can do that - it merely reduces the peak recoil blow by spreading out the recoil force over a longer period and thereby puts less strain on the mounting (or to put it another way, allows a lighter mounting to be used). Detail design can make a big difference; the US Edgewater mounting used on aircraft HMG and cannon mountings in WW2 substantially reduced the peak recoil blow.
An even more effective way of doing this is with a differential recoil or floating firing mounting, in which the gun is held back in the full recoil position before firing. On firing, the gun runs forwards "into battery" and the weapon is fired just before it gets there. The recoil force therefore has to overcome the forwards momentum of the gun before it can start pushing it back again. This is a highly effective way of smoothing out the recoil pulses and is commonly used in modern automatic AA cannon.
Some automatic gun mechanisms have a greater recoil-smoothing effect than others. One of them is the long-recoil type, in which the barrel recoils a considerable distance between shots. This makes for a slow-firing gun and is mainly used in large-calibre weapons. It was commonly used in large aircraft cannon in WW2, such as the US 37mm and the British 40mm and 57mm guns - the big 57mm Molins had a peak recoil blow similar to that of the 20mm Hispano (although the total recoil thrust was obviously much greater). The other is the advanced primer ignition blowback type, as pioneered by Becker in WW1 and much used by Oerlikon and similar weapons in WW2. In this, the gun fires from an open bolt, which means that when the firing button is pressed, the bolt moves forwards and chambers a cartridge before firing. The key point of the API blowback is that the cartridge is fired while it is still moving forwards, so there is a kind of internal differential recoil effect.
There is a popular fallacy that firing a large-calibre cannon in an aircraft (such as the 75mm M4 in the B-25) had a drastic effect on aircraft speed - or even briefly brought it to a stop! A simple comparison of speeds and weights between the shell and the aircraft will show that the aircraft had about 200 times the momentum of the shell. Firing several shots in quick succession would slow the plane a little, but not by more than about 5%.
EXTERNAL BALLISTICS
Just two key factors determine the external ballistics of a projectile; the muzzle velocity and the ballistic coefficient. The ballistic coefficient is significant because it determines the rate at which the projectile slows down, and in conjunction with the muzzle velocity this decides the maximum range (at any given elevation) and the time of flight to any particular distance. The time of flight in turn decides the amount by which the projectile drops downwards as this happens at a constant rate due to gravity. The curved path of the projectile which results from the muzzle velocity, the ballistic coefficient and gravity drop is called the trajectory.
In most types of long-range shooting (whether by rifles or large cannon) a short time of flight is considered desirable because it maximizes the hit probability by reducing the time of flight and flattening the trajectory. It also results in the projectile striking the target at a high velocity and therefore with greater effect. The main exception is when artillery fires in the "upper register" (above 45 degrees elevation) to achieve plunging fire.
The advantages of a high muzzle velocity in reducing the time of flight are self-evident. So are the disadvantages: more propellant is required, the barrel will need to be longer, the gun will be heavier and (in the case of a mounted weapon) so will be the mounting to cope with the greater recoil. In an automatic weapon, the rate of fire is also usually lower. As we have seen, there is also a practical limit to how high the velocity of any given projectile can be pushed. To make the most of the muzzle velocity, we need to achieve a high ballistic coefficient.
There are two elements which decide the ballistic coefficient (BC); the sectional density (SD) and the form factor (FF). The SD is a simple calculation as it is the ratio between calibre and projectile weight. The formula is:
For metric measurements: multiply the projectile weight in grams by 1.422, then divide the result by the square of the calibre in millimetres. So for a 12.7mm bullet weighing 40 grams: (40x1.422)/(12.7x12.7) = an SD of 0.353
For Imperial measurements: divide the projectile weight in pounds by the square of the calibre in inches (if bullet weights are in grains, divide the result by 7,000).
The higher the SD figure, the better the velocity retention (assuming equal form factors).
What the SD measures is the weight (or momentum, when moving) behind every square millimetre of the projectile calibre (i.e. the cross-sectional area of the projectile). If projectiles were solid cylinders then for a given SD figure they would all be the same length regardless of their calibre. In practice, of course, the length varies with the calibre; a 40mm projectile will be about twice the length of a 20mm, and will therefore have about double the SD figure. This explains why artillery shells travel much further than rifle bullets, no matter how fast or streamlined. Other things being equal, the bigger the calibre, the longer the range and the shorter the flight time to any given range.
Other things are of course far from equal, which is where the form factor comes in. The FF measures the aerodynamic efficiency of the projectile's shape, and is much more complicated to calculate; without access to manufacturers' data, only approximate estimates can be made. It is obvious that a projectile with a pointed nose will have much less air resistance than a simple cylinder, and it will therefore have a better FF, but problems arise when you try to become more specific.
The first problem is that the FF is different at subsonic and supersonic velocities, because shapes which work best at subsonic speeds are not the best at supersonic velocities. At subsonic speeds, the drag caused by the low-pressure area created at the back or base of the projectile is significant, and major reductions in drag can be made by tapering this to some extent (boat-tailing). At supersonic speeds, it is the nose shape that is critical; finely pointed noses are needed, but the back end doesn't matter so much. Some taper towards the base is useful, but the optimum taper angle is different from that at subsonic velocities. The benefit of boat-tailing at very long range can be demonstrated by two .30-06 bullets, both weighing 180 grains (11.7g) and fired at 2,700 fps (823 m/s). At sea level, the flat-based bullet will travel a maximum of 3,800m, the boat-tail 5,200m.
A further factor affecting military projectiles is the addition of tracer elements. These generate gas which helps to fill the low-pressure area at the base, reducing drag. This gives them a different trajectory by comparison with non-tracer rounds, not helped by the fact that as the tracer burns up the weight of the projectile reduces, thereby worsening its sectional density. Tracers can therefore never achieve a perfect match with other projectiles and can only ever be an approximate guide to their trajectory.
Putting all of this together, the most aerodynamically sophisticated projectiles in use today are the long-range artillery shells known as ERFBBB (extended-range full-bore base-bleed). These have a long, finely pointed nose to work well at their initial supersonic speeds, and a tapered base filled with a "base bleed" burning chemical which essentially does the same aerodynamic job as a tracer. Furthermore, the nose is so pointed that only the base of the shell is in contact with the barrel, so small streamlined stubs are fitted part way up the shell to keep it centred in the bore. It was discovered that these generate some aerodynamic lift, like tiny wings, and extend the range still further. The advantage of all of this can be seen in the range improvement over a conventional 155mm HE shell; in a 39 calibre barrel, the standard M107 shell has a range of 18,100m, the ERFB shell 25,500m and the ERFBBB 32,400m. Furthermore, unlike rocket-assisted or sub-calibre shells, there is no penalty in effectiveness as they carry at least as much HE (in fact, the South African 155mm M57 ERFB shell contains 30% more HE than the standard M107 shell).
It is possible to obtain some idea of typical FFs by comparing manufacturers' BC data with the calculated SDs for the same projectiles. In the case of small arms bullets, this provides the following approximate FFs (this figure should be multiplied by the SD to give the BC):
Flat-nose lead: 0.8
Round-nose lead: 0.9
Round-nose jacketed: 1.0
Semi-pointed soft point: 0.9-1.1
Pointed soft point: 1.2-1.6 (depending on sharpness of point)
Pointed full jacket: 1.5-1.8
Pointed full-jacket boat-tailed: 1.9-2.0
Comparing the BCs with ballistic tables for the ammunition gives the following results. These figures show the approximate percentage velocity loss over 100m for supersonic projectiles (900 m/s) with the following BCs:
BC 0.15 0.20 0.25 0.30 0.35 0.40 0.45 0.50
V loss % 25 18 14 11.5 9.5 8 7 6.5
Another type of Form Factor is traditionally used for artillery - and especially naval - shells. This is the "caliber radius head" (CRH) which measures how pointed the nose is. To give an example, if the curve of a shell nose is the same as that of a circle with a radius of 500mm in diameter, and the calibre is 100mm, then the shell has a CRH of 5. The higher the CRH, the better the FF.
In calculating SD and BC, it should be noted that the notional cartridge calibre is not necessarily the same as the actual projectile diameter, particularly with small arms. The bore diameter (ie the inside diameter of the barrel ignoring any rifling grooves) may be used instead, or some notional figure. The following list of bullet calibres is followed by some of the common cartridge designations of that calibre (there are many other calibres and cartridges...):
Bullet diameter Cartridge designation
mm/inches
5.60/.221 5.45mm Russian
5.69/.224 5.56mm, 5.6mm, .218, 219, .22, .220, .221, .222, .223, .224, .225, .226
6.17/.243 6mm, .240, .243, .244
6.53/.257 6.35mm, .25, .250, .257
6.71/.264 6.5mm, .256, .260, .264
7.04/.277 .270, .277
7.21/.284 7mm, .275, .276, .280, .284
7.82/.308 7.5mm, 7.62mm, 7.63mm, 7.65mm, .30, .300, .307, .308
7.90/.311 7.62mm (Russian), 7.65mm (Belgian), 7.7mm, .303, .311
8.20/.323 7.92mm, 8mm (most - but not all)
8.59/.338 8.58mm, .33, .330, .338, .340
12.9/.510 12.7mm (Russian), .50
13.1/.514 12.7mm (Breda, Ho-103), .5 (Vickers)
13.5/.530 13mm (IJN Type 3 and 96), 13.2mm (Hotchkiss)
13.5/.533 13mm MG 131, 13mm IJN Type 2
15.6/.614 15mm MG 151
16.2/.638 15mm ZB vz/60, Besa
19.8/.780 20mm ShVAK, B-20
19.9/.785 20mm (other)
22.9/.900 23mm VYa, ZU
24.9/.980 25mm (general)
26.9/1.06 27mm Mauser
29.9/1.18 30mm (general)
35.0/1.38 35mm Oerlikon
36.8/1.45 37mm (general), 1 pdr, 1.5 pdr
39.9/1.57 40mm (general), 2 pdr
47.0/1.85 47mm, 3 pdr
50.0/1.97 50mm, 5 cm
56.9/2.24 57mm, 6 pdr
An important aspect of external ballistics is the stability of the projectile. If an ordinary bullet or cannon shell were fired from a smoothbored gun, it would probably start to tumble, ruining its aerodynamics and accuracy. Old-fashioned smoothbore muskets fired round balls, so tumbling wasn't a problem, but such a shape has a poor BC. Even round balls fired from smoothbores tend to drift off target as the range increases anyway, as they will not be entirely symmetrical. The answer was found to be to cause the bullet to spin rapidly by cutting spiral grooves into the barrel, called rifling. This evens out any asymmetries and keeps pointed bullets heading point-first.
Initially, bullets and shells were provided with studs to fit into the rifling but these were slow to load. An alternative approach was to make a polygonal-section barrel with shells manufactured to fit. Subsequently, rifles were provided with Minié type bullets which had a hollow base, designed to expand under the pressure of firing and "take" the rifling. Modern rifle, pistol and heavy machine gun (HMG) bullets are given a metal jacket (usually cupro-nickel) which has a slightly larger diameter than the bore of the gun. It is therefore squeezed into the rifling grooves on firing, which leaves characteristic angled grooves engraved into the bullet. Modern cannon shells are usually made of steel which is too hard for this, so they are given a driving band near the base of the projectile, which is larger in diameter than the shell and is gripped by the rifling. The driving bands are traditionally copper but this is too soft for modern high-velocity cannon which normally use soft steel driving bands instead. The 30mm projectile for the US GAU-8/A cannon are unusual in using plastic driving bands.
With large-calibre, high-velocity cannon there is some risk of the shock of impact with the rifling "stripping" the driving band. To combat this, some weapons have progressive rifling, in which the rifling grooves start out parallel then gradually increase in twist down the barrel. In a return to earlier "studded" shell principles, the WW1 Paris Guns had pre-engraved rifling bands to minimise the friction and the risk of stripping the band.
There is also some concern with cannon that the driving bands, which stick out from the shell body and tend to be rather chewed up by the rifling, have a poor effect on aerodynamics. One solution to this problem is to include a smooth (unrifled) final section of the barrel at the same diameter as the shell, which squeezes the driving band flat against the projectile. This is known as a "Probertised" barrel (technically "RD Rifling") after Probert, the British inventor, and was used in the high-velocity 3.7" Mk VI AA gun in World War 2.
Rifling permits a high degree of accuracy over the maximum range of a weapon. There is a relationship between the rifling twist (the angle of the rifling to the barrel) and the length of the projectile. For a given calibre, the longer (ie heavier) the projectile, the steeper the twist has to be in order to stabilise it. Clearly, with a particular rifling twist some light projectiles will be very stable, some medium-weight ones marginally stable and some heavy ones not stabilised at all. This can have consequences for the terminal as well as the external ballistics, as we shall see. As projectiles become steadily longer so rifling can no longer cope, and long, thin projectiles such as APFSDS (armour-piercing fin-stabilised discarding-sabot) require fins, like arrows, at the back to keep them pointing, nose-first, in the right direction. Such projectiles are disturbed by rifling and work better from an (almost) smoothbore barrel (some degree of spin is considered useful in effecting clean sabot separation). HEAT (high-explosive anti-tank, also known as hollow-charge) projectiles also work best when not spun, so these two types of munitions have become associated with smoothbore barrels, almost exclusively fitted to AFVs. Recently, automatic cannon with rifled barrels have taken to using APFSDS, but the spinning causes the projectiles to yaw (fail to point straight ahead) for several hundred metres, so they only become fully effective at 400+m.
The optimum elevation for achieving the maximum range depends on the range capability. Large caliber, high-velocity artillery (e.g. the WW1 German Paris Guns) achieved their maximum range of around 75 miles at an elevation of 55 degrees, because aerodynamic drag reduces along with air pressure so the sooner the shell gets up into the thin upper air the further it will travel. Rifle bullets are restricted to the lower atmosphere and their optimum elevation is about 30-35 degrees. For the same reason, an aircraft gun will have a much longer effective range at high altitude than in the thick air at ground level.
TERMINAL BALLISTICS
There are two different aspects to this; the effect of projectile strike against soft targets (animals or people) and the effect against armour.
First, against soft targets (the squeamish have permission to duck this section!). A military (i.e. fully jacketed, pointed, non-expanding) rifle bullet will be destabilised when hitting a soft target and will tumble. This is because its shape means that the centre of gravity of the bullet is towards the rear so it naturally prefers to fly base-first. Spinning the bullet by means of the rifling keeps the bullet flying point-first through the air, but flesh is about 400 times denser than air so spinning is no longer enough; the bullet destabilises and turns over to travel base-first, a process known as tumbling. In so doing it obviously inflicts a far more serious wound than if it carried on flying straight through the body. Incidentally, bullets designed for penetrating heavy game animals like elephant - which need to penetrate very deeply and must therefore not tumble - have long, parallel sides and blunt round noses, just like early military rifle bullets.
Not all bullets tumble at the same rate. Other things being equal, small bullets will tumble more quickly than large ones, but the design of the bullet is also important; some visibly identical bullets will tumble at different speeds, generally depending on the internal construction. For example, the Yugoslavian bullet for the 7.62x39 has a lead core and has been found in tests to tumble much more quickly than the Russian steel-cored bullet in the same cartridge. Readiness to tumble may also be affected by how well-stabilised the bullet has been by the rifling. A well-stabilised bullet may pass straight through the target without having time to tumble. The original US Army .223 (5.56mm) 55 grain (3.56g) M193 bullet was notorious for rapid tumbling, but the current NATO 62 grain (4.02g) SS109/M855 bullet is fired from rifles with a much steeper rifling twist (1 turn in 7 inches - 18cm - instead of 1 in 12 - 30cm) and is more stable, to the benefit of long-range accuracy and penetration but at the cost of a slightly slower rate of tumble on impact. Various tricks have been used to increase the probability of a bullet tumbling; the British .303 Mk VII bullet had a lightweight tip filler with the weight concentrated towards the rear of the bullet, and the current Russian 5.45mm rifle bullet has a hollow tip.
If a bullet has a relatively weak jacket, the stresses of tumbling may cause it to break apart while it is travelling sideways through flesh - a process known as fragmentation - which further increases the wounding effect. Most 5.56x45 military bullets fragment, although they have to be travelling at high velocity to do so. This limits their maximum effectiveness to fairly short range, particularly from short-barrelled carbines which have a lower muzzle velocity. Most 7.62x51 NATO bullets do not fragment, although the German one does - by accident rather than design. Fragmentation is not an official requirement for any military bullets; if it were, there might be some legal challenge over the international prohibition on bullets designed to cause unnecessary suffering. The noses of hunting rifle bullets (and many commercial handgun bullets) are designed to expand on impact, which greatly increases the size of the wound channel. Such bullets are illegal for military use.
It is often claimed by hunters that as the striking velocity of the bullet increases beyond about 700 m/s (2,300 fps), so hydrostatic shock begins to appear, with the effect that animals drop dead much more dramatically than if hit in the same place with a low-velocity bullet. However, this effect does not seem to be replicated in people; there are many cases of soldiers continuing to fight for some time despite receiving severe (and ultimately fatal) wounds from high-velocity rifle bullets. Furthermore, serious shock effects are only likely if the bullet exceeds the speed of sound in flesh, which is around 1,500 m/s (4,900 fps), but even this has been disputed.
This brings us onto the vexed question of stopping power, about which it is impossible to make any pronouncements without stimulating fierce arguments. Stopping power may be defined as the ability of a particular weapon to immediately disable an opponent so he can take no further part in the fighting. It is not the same as lethality; quite low-powered weapons can be lethal, but considerably more power is normally required to achieve reliable stopping power. Incidentally, this shows that the notion that modern military rifle bullets are meant to wound rather than kill is a myth; if it is powerful enough to disable, it is more than powerful enough to kill.
Clearly, bullet placement is vital to achieving effective stopping power; it is much more effective to hit an immediately vital area with a low-powered weapon than to inflict a minor wound with a high-powered one. Also, the psychological state of the target has a considerable effect. Someone who is relaxed, or frightened, may be put out of the fight by a minor wound, someone who is highly charged with aggression will require far more power to stop them, and yet another person high on drugs may continue fighting despite suffering the most appalling wounds.
Stopping power is simplest to define with pistols, which have too low a velocity for hydrostatic shock to be a factor. The classic formula, named after the American Julius Hatcher, is calculated by multiplying the bullet weight by the muzzle velocity and then by the square of the calibre. The result is then multiplied by a form factor, similar in principle to that used for calculating the BC, except that in this case, the blunter the bullet shape the more effective it is. It will immediately be seen that calibre is the most important factor, and indeed large calibre pistols such as the .45" have always had a good reputation for stopping power. It should be noted that even the most powerful handgun or rifle will not physically knock someone down; if they were that powerful, Newton's law would require the firer to be thrown backwards with equal force. The recent spread of body armour has changed the perceptions of desirable pistol ballistics to some extent, as a high-velocity small-calibre bullet will punch through body armour which will easily stop a large-calibre, low-velocity bullet.
This brings us onto the subject of penetration. This is not just to do with military armour, but also against tough animals like elephants or water buffalo. As already indicated, early big game hunters found that the most important characteristics of a bullet against such tough game were that it should be round-nosed, strongly built, and have a good SD. A pointed bullet would not follow a straight path through a mass of bone, and one with too high a velocity also often followed an erratic path. Amazingly, one of the most successful early elephant guns (albeit only in very skilled hands) was the little 6.5mm Mannlicher. Why? Because its very long, 160 grain (10.4g), round-nosed bullet and its moderate velocity allowed it to penetrate remarkable thicknesses of bone - but it was only effective with a precise aim.
The subject of the penetration of armour is highly technical and complex. Furthermore, different national definitions of penetration and different types and qualities of armour used to test projectiles against make comparisons difficult. However, certain broad principles still hold generally true. As with elephant guns, a high SD is desirable and so (more surprisingly) is a blunt nose, although this is often concealed by a pointed ballistic cap or windshield. However, one major difference is that the higher the striking velocity the better, at least until the velocities are so high that the projectile is more likely to shatter than penetrate. For hardened steel penetrators, this happens at velocities much over 1,000 m/s.
SUB-CALIBRE PROJECTILES
This term is used to describe projectiles which are smaller than the calibre of the gun they are fired from. Nowadays this normally means APDS or APFSDS, but I will also deal with two related developments; APCR and squeezebore guns.
As we have seen, a large caliber will permit more energy to be generated than a small one. On the other hand, for a given projectile weight a smaller caliber will have a higher SD and therefore better long-range and AP performances. Designers have therefore tried different ways of combining the advantages of the two.
The simplest type was known to the British in WW2 as APCR (armour piercing, composite rigid - I have seen an early document which referred to this as "composite rigid armour piercing" but they presumably thought better of the acronym...), to the Americans as HVAP (high velocity armour piercing) and to the Germans as Hartkernmunition or Pzgr.40. However, it was probably the French who fielded it first, in the M1935 loading for the little 37x94R round still being used in some tank guns (there's a picture of one, plus sub-calibre projectiles, in the photo gallery on this website). It is nowadays commonly known as APHC, for armour piercing hard core, and is mainly used in MGs, HMGs and small-calibre cannon.
As the names suggest, this consists of a lightweight projectile (normally mainly aluminium) with a hard, small calibre core (normally tungsten alloy, which is heavier and harder than steel). The light projectile in a large-calibre gun gives a high muzzle velocity but when it strikes the target, only the hard core penetrates so it can go through much more armour than a full-calibre projectile of the same weight. The only disadvantage is that the light projectile has a low SD and therefore slows down more quickly than a normal projectile, steadily losing its penetration advantage as the range increases. To overcome this problem, later versions tended to be little if any lighter than a standard shell, thereby trading some of their short-range penetration for better long-range effectiveness. A modern example of this is the 30mm API used in the GAU-8/A cannon fitted to the A-10 aircraft; this is also unusual in having a depleted uranium core.
Another approach to achieving the best of both worlds was the squeezebore gun, of which there were two basic types; the Gerlich and the Littlejohn. In both, a projectile fitted with flanges to fit a large caliber barrel was squeezed down to a smaller caliber before it left the muzzle. The difference between them was that the Gerlich guns had tapered barrels whereas the Littlejohns had normal barrels with a tapered attachment fitted to the muzzle, in principle not unlike a shotgun choke. These worked very well and both saw limited service in WW2, the Gerlich in some German AT guns and the Littlejohn (named after the Czech designer, Janecek, which translates as little John) in some Allied armoured car and light tank guns. Their main problem, apart from the cost of the tungsten-cored ammo (and in the case of the Gerlich, the expensive barrel manufacturing) was that they could only fire this type of ammunition; they could not fire full-calibre HE shells. For this reason, they lost favour as soon as a better solution emerged.
The better solution was APDS, for armour piercing discarding sabot. This was like the APCR shell, except that the light alloy sabot (French for shoe) was designed to fall away from the small-calibre penetrator as soon as the projectile left the muzzle. This therefore combined the advantages of a large caliber for maximum energy with a small caliber for best flight and penetration performance, and allowed conventional ammunition to be fired from the same gun. It was initially designed in France before WW2, but was then developed in Canada and the UK, being issued for British 6pdr and 17pdr guns from mid-1944 onwards.
Apart from the cost and availability of the tungsten (always an issue in WW2) the only problem was that early version were very inaccurate because the flight of the projectile was disturbed by sabot separation. The British carried on using conventional AP tank ammunition into the 1950s, and APDS only really became supreme with the British 105mm tank gun of the late 1950s, which became the NATO standard for many years.
The replacement for APDS in tank guns (it is still used in small caliber cannon and HMGs) was APFSDS, which takes the design principles to their logical conclusion in producing the longest and thinnest practical projectile. The problem, as we have seen, is that achieving stability by spinning doesn't work with such long projectiles so they have to be fin stabilised. Modern manufacturing quality means that a high degree of accuracy can be achieved, and APFSDS seems likely to remain the supreme penetrator until conventional guns are replaced by different technologies.
Further information about high-velocity military AP ammunition, together with illustrations, is in The Search for High Velocity on this website.
SOURCES:
NRA Firearms Fact Book (3rd edition, 1989). A fascinating compendium of assorted data from the American National Rifle Association.
Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders by P. O. Ackley - a classic, which comes with a pack of charts and tables for do-it-yourself ballistics without formulae, let alone computer programmes.
Brassey's Military Ballistics, by Moss, Leeming and Farrar
...and decades of collecting odd snippets of information from all over the place.
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Kokemuksia 5,56 NATO vs 7,62 NATO
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The Last "Big Lie" of Vietnam Kills U. S. Soldiers in Iraq
August 24th, 2004
At a Vietnam Special Forces base during 1964, I watched a U. S. soldier fire 15 rounds of .223 caliber ammunition into a tethered goat from an AR-15 rifle; moments after the last round hit, the goat fell over. Looking at the dead goat, I saw many little bullet entry-holes on one side; and when we turned him over, I saw many little bullet exit-holes on the other side. Over time, those observations were confirmed and reconfirmed, revealing that the stories we were told on the lethality of the .223 caliber cartridge were fabrications. Those false reports drove the adoption of the .223 caliber cartridge as the 5.56mm NATO cartridge and, ever since, Americans have been sent to war with a cartridge deficient in combat lethality; a deficiency that has recently caused the deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
What is efficient combat lethality? The book Black Hawk Down quotes SFC Paul Howe's description of SFC Randy Shughart, a soldier who elected to carry the 7.62mm M-14 into the urban battlefield of Somalia in 1993 rather than the 5.56mm CAR-15 (M-16-variant):
"His rifle may have been heavier and comparatively awkward and delivered a mean recoil, but it damn sure knocked a man down with one bullet, and in combat, one shot was all you got. You shoot a guy, you want to see him go down; you don't want to be guessing for the next five hours whether you hit him, or whether he's still waiting for you in the weeds." [1]
With the wisdom of a combat veteran, Howe describes the lethality necessary for a cartridge in combat—one-round knockdown power.
How did we get from military cartridges with proven one-round knockdown power such as the 30-06 and 7.62mm to the 5.56mm? The journey starts with the term "tumbling." This term has been associated with the .223 cal./5.56mm cartridge, since early in its marketing as a potential military cartridge to this day. The very word, tumbling, prompts images of a bullet traveling end over end through the human body in 360-degree loops: in reality, it does not move this way at all.
Dr. Martin L. Fackler, COL., USA (Ret.) served as a surgeon in Vietnam during 1968 and, subsequently, pursued the research of terminal ballistics by observing the effects of bullets fired into blocks of ballistic gelatin. In "Wounding patterns for military rifle bullets," he reports the observation that "all" non-deforming pointed bullets—this included the 30-06 and 7.62mm military full-metal jacket bullets—"yawed" 180 degrees while passing through the gelatin to exit base-forward; i.e., heaviest end forward. The 5.56mm projectile acted in the same manner with a very precise exception: These rounds "yawed" to 90-degrees, and then fragmented at their weakened serrated band (cannelure) into two or more pieces when fired into ballistic gelatin. However, the 5.56mm projectile does NOT always yaw or fragment. Under field conditions, the probability of these effects is reduced by the following factors:
—The round strikes the target at less than 2700 feet per second. That velocity is reduced by: the farther the range to the target, the greater reduction in velocity; shortened weapon barrel length as is the case with the shorter M-4 carbine; and/or, manufacturing variances in the cartridge.
—Variances in human body thickness and flesh density and consistency.
In those cases, the bullet neither yaws nor fragments and causes only a pencil size hole through the body; i.e., small hole in, small hole out. Neither Dr. Fackler nor anyone else has provided any empirical data or estimate on the incidence of the 5.56mm yaw/fragmentation effect on enemy soldiers. Conversely, since first used by Americans in combat, there has been a consistent observation from the field—enemy soldiers continue to fire their weapons after being hit by multiple 5.56mm bullets; evidently, no yaw/fragmentation effect. Nevertheless, the term "tumble" was apparently derived from idealized yaw action and, as suggested by the following, was chosen in lieu of the word yaw because it would "sell" better. [2]
The book, The Black Rifle, M16 Retrospective by Edward C. Ezell and R. Blake Stevens, " . . . is, so far as [the authors] could make it so, the truth about the controversial 5.56mm caliber AR-15 (M16)—what it is, what it is not, where it came from, and why."
Edward C. Ezell, Ph.D., now deceased, was the Curator/Supervisor of the Division of Armed Forces History, National Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC and the editor of perhaps the world's most famous gun book, Small Arms of the World. The Black Rifle contains one of the earliest characterizations that the .223 cal. bullet tumbled in a brochure produced by Colt's Patent Fire Arms Manufacturing Company, Inc. The caption written by the book's authors reads, "From the first Colt AR-15 brochure, produced in a desperate attempt to interest somebody – anybody – in the merits of the AR-15's 'unmatched superiority.'" In one of the three internal brochure illustrations is text reading, in part, "On impact the tumbling action of the .223 caliber ammunition increases effectiveness." [3]
In 1961, Colt's did get somebody's attention. The Advanced Research Project Agency (ARPA) of the Department of Defense (DoD) was enjoined by the Kennedy Administration to explore how the United States could support a foreign ally in a "limited" war. In the spring of 1961, ARPA's Project AGILE was implemented to supply "research and engineering support for the military and paramilitary forces engaged in or threatened by conflict in remote areas of the world." In October of 1961, ARPA provided ten Colt's AR-15's to Vietnamese Forces in Saigon to conduct a limited test. The Black Rifle remarks of this test, "The number of rifles might have been small, but the enthusiastic reaction of the Vietnamese and their American advisors alike who handled and fired the AR-15s was just as [Colt's marketing agent] had predicted." Armed with these positive results, ARPA succeeded in expanding the Project AGILE study by procuring 1,000 AR-15s for distribution among select Vietnamese units for field-testing. Ezell & Stevens write that this approval resulted in " . . . saving Colt's from almost sure financial disaster and also setting the stage for the most influential yet controversial document so far in the history of the already controversial AR-15." [4]
The purpose of this test, as set forth in, ARPA, "Report of Task 13A, Test of ArmaLite Rifle, AR-15," dated 31 July 1962, was " . . . a comparison between the AR-15 and the M2 Carbine to determine which is a more suitable replacement for shoulder weapons in selected units of the Republic of Vietnam Armed Forces (RVNAF)." The Project AGILE results were summed up, in part, by ARPA as follows: "The suitability of the AR-15 as the basic shoulder weapon for the Vietnamese has been established. For the type of conflict now occurring in Vietnam, the weapon was also found by its users and by MAAG advisors to be superior in virtually all respects to the M1 Rifle, M1 and M2 Carbines, Thompson Sub-Machine Gun, and Browning Automatic Rifle." NOTE: This study and its recommendations concerned the suitability of the AR-15 for Vietnamese soldiers, who were described by the testers to be of "small stature, body configuration and light weight," NOT larger stature United States soldiers. [5]
In any case, the report was widely read and some of its components came under serious question, especially those purporting to describe the demonstrated lethality of the .223 caliber cartridge. The following are three such examples from the Project AGILE report:
Example 1. "On 160900 June, one platoon from the 340 Ranger company was on a ground operation . . . and contacted 3 armed VC in heavily forested jungle.. . . At a distance of approximately 15 meters, one Ranger fired an AR-15 full automatic hitting one VC with 3 rounds with the first burst. One round in the head took it completely off. Another in the right arm, took it completely off. One round hit him in the right side, causing a hole about 5 inches in diameter.. . . (Rangers)"
Example 2. "On 9 June a Ranger Platoon from the 40th Infantry Regt. Was given the mission of ambushing an estimated VC Company.. . .
Number of VC killed: 5 [Descriptions of the one-round killing wounds follow.]
Back wound, which caused the thoracic cavity to explode. Stomach wound, which caused the abdominal cavity to explode. Buttock wound, which destroyed all tissue of both buttocks. Chest wound from right to left; destroyed the thoracic cavity. Heel wound; the projectile entered the bottom of the right foot causing the leg to split from the foot to the hip.
These deaths were inflicted by the AR-15 and all were instantaneous except the buttock wound. He lived approximately five minutes. (7th Infantry Division)"
Example 3. "On 13 April, a Special Forces team made a raid on a small village. In the raid, seven VC were killed. Two were killed by AR-15 fire. Range was 50 meters. One man was hit in the head; it looked like it exploded. A second man was hit in the chest, his back was one big hole. (VN Special Forces)" [6.]
The above "field-reports" are incredulous on their face and some in DoD requested that these results be duplicated scientifically. The Army Wound Ballistics Laboratory at Edgewood Arsenal attempted to do just that. Using .223 caliber Remington ammunition provided by Colt's representative, they conducted their "standard lethality trials that consisted of measuring the cavitational and other effects of firing at known distances into blocks of ballistic gelatin, and where necessary, anaesthetized goats." They failed to duplicate the explosive effects reported by Project AGILE. In November 1962, the Army initiated "Worldwide" tactical and technical tests of the AR-15 using U. S. soldiers. Edgewood was tasked to perform further lethality tests using modified .223 caliber ammunition. Ezell and Stevens describe the modifications: "They had modified some 55-grain .223 caliber ball bullets of Remington manufacture by cutting approximately 1/4 inch off the nose and drilling a 3/32-inch-diameter hole about 1/4 inch deep into the lead core of each bullet." The results? The authors continue, "As it turned out, even the hollow-points failed to duplicate anything like the spectacular effects recorded by the Vietnamese unit commanders and their American advisors, which had subsequently been taken as fact and much used as propaganda." [7.]
The .223 caliber cartridge was morphed into the 5.56mm NATO cartridge and adopted for the United States Service Rifle M-16 (formerly, AR-15) replacing the 7.62mm M-14. How could such propaganda have convinced the Department of Defense to adopt the .223 caliber cartridge? "All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true in itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper stata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods."
Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf [ 8.]
As is usually the case, a judgment based on lies was to adversely affect those at the "pointy end of the spear." American warriors reported enemy soldiers continuing to close and fire their weapons after sustaining multiple hits by 5.56mm bullets. This happened as early as 9 December 1965 in the official "After Action Report of the Ia Drang Valley Operation . . .." popularized by the movie and book We Were Soldiers Once . . . and Young. The commanding officer of the battalion engaged there, Col. Harold G. Moore, USA, writes of assaulting enemy soldiers being hit by 5.56mm rounds: "Even after being hit several times in the chest, many continued firing and moving for several more steps before dropping dead." [9.]
Later in that war, a similar experience is voiced by Col. John Hayworth, USA (Ret.): "In one fire-fight, I saw my RTO place three rounds [of 5.56 mm] in the chest of a charging NVA regular at 50 yards. He kept firing his AK and never slowed down. At 30 yards, I hit him with a blast of double ought buck. It picked him up off his feet and he didn't get up again." [10.]
In the aftermath of the Vietnam War, the DoD increased the weight of the 5.56mm 55-grain bullet (M193) to 62-grains, replaced some of its lead core with a tungsten steel core, painted the bullet tip green and designated the new cartridge M855. In 1991, the Pentagon sent its warriors to the Gulf War with this new green-tip cartridge. Maj. Howard Feldmeier, USMC (Ret.) was there: " . . . several Marines commented that they had to shoot Iraqi soldiers 2-3 or more times with the 62-grain 5.56mm green tip ammo before they stopped firing back at them . . .." That report is exemplified by one of an Iraqi officer who was thrown from his vehicle and set afire by an explosion: "Somehow he managed to hold on to his AK-47. He also got up, still on fire, faced the firing line of Marines and charged forward firing his weapon from the hip. He didn't hit anyone but two Marines each nailed him with a three round burst from their M-16A2s. One burst hit him immediately above his heart, the other in his belly button. [He] . . . kept right on charging and firing until his magazine was empty. When he got up to the Marines two of them tackled him and rolled him in the sand to put out the fire. . . . He was quickly carried back to the battalion aid station . . .. The surgeons told me he certainly died of burns, but not necessarily from the six 5.56mm wounds . . .." [ 11.]
In spite of the above "lesson learned," the DoD dispatched its warriors to combat in Somalia in 1993 with the same flawed "green tip" cartridge as testified in Mark Bowden's book Black Hawk Down: "His weapon was the most sophisticated infantry rifle in the world, a customized CAR-15, and he was shooting the army's new 5.56mm green tip round. . . . The bullet made a small, clean hole, and unless it happened to hit the heart or spine, it wasn't enough to stop a man in his tracks. Howe felt he had to hit a guy five or six times just to get his attention."
The Pentagon remained unmoved by that experience of its warriors and continued to send them to war underpowered. On 4 April 2002, I received an e-mail from a trooper in Afghanistan who appeals, in part: "The current-issue 62gr 5.56mm (223) round, especially when fired from the short-barreled, M-4 carbine, is proving itself (once again) to be woefully inadequate as [a] man stopper. Engagements at all ranges are requiring multiple, solid hits to permanently bring down enemy soldiers. Penetration is also sadly deficient. Even light barriers are not perforated by this rifle/cartridge combination." [12.]
Additional observations of the impotence of the 5.56mm round soon appeared in official and professional publications. In their official briefing "Lessons Learned in Afghanistan" dated April 2002, LTC C. Dean, USA and SFC S. Newland, USA of the U. S. Army Natick Soldier Center reported: "Soldiers asked for a weapon with a larger round. 'So it will drop a man with one shot.'" In the October 2002 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette magazine, Capt Philip Treglia, USMC reflected on his Afghanistan experience in December 2001 by reporting that, "the 5.56 mm round will not put a man to the ground with two shots to the chest." Capt Treglia's men were trained to fire two bullets into an enemy's chest and if that did not knock him down, they were to shift fire to the head. This is the corrective action implemented for these Marines and many others in the Armed Forces for the impotent 5.56mm cartridge rather than equipping them with a rifle that fired a bullet with one-round knockdown power. And, as Capt Treglia reported, multiple hits with the 5.56mm bullet didn't work any better in Afghanistan than it did anytime in the past.
In a 3 March 2003 written briefing, LCdr. Gary K. Roberts, USNR recommended to RAdm. Albert M. Calland, Commander, Naval Special Warfare (NSW) Command that he upgrades his command's 5.56mm weapons to the 6.8mm cartridge. That briefing, entitled, "Enhancement of NSW Carbine & Rifle Capability," opens by observing:
Recent combat operations have highlighted terminal performance problems, generally manifested as failures to rapidly incapacitate opponents, during combat operations when M855 62gr. "Green Tip" FMJ is fired from 5.56mm rifles and carbines. Failure to rapidly incapacitate armed opponents increases the risk of U.S. forces being injured or killed and jeopardizes mission success. [13.]
That statement was prophetic.
On 12 September 2003, in Ar Ramadi, Iraq elements of the 3rd Battalion, 5th Special Forces Group engaged enemy forces in a firefight. An insurgent was struck in the torso by several rounds of 5.56mm ammunition from their M-4 carbines (this is the current shortened version of the M-16 Service Rifle). He continued to fire his AK-47 and mortally wounded MSgt Kevin N. Morehead, age 33, from Little Rock, Arkansas. The engagement continued with the same insurgent surprising SFC William M. Bennett, age 35, from Seymour, Tennessee from a hiding place and killing him instantly with a three-round burst to the head and neck. SSgt Robert E Springer, threw away his M-4 carbine, drew an obsolete WWI/WWII vintage .45 caliber pistol and killed the insurgent with one shot. A close inspection of the enemy's corpse revealed that he had been hit by seven 5.56 mm rounds in his torso. Also, in this engagement, these soldiers were provided with a commercially produced 5.56mm round of 77-grain weight vice the 62-grain bullets in use by general-purpose forces. Obviously, the larger 5.56mm round was of little consequence. [14.]
These reports are consistent with my own experience during three tours of duty in Vietnam from the goat incident in 1964 described above to service with the 3rd Marine Division in 1968-69; experience that repeatedly reminded me that this 5.56mm cartridge was nothing more than the full-metal jacket military version of the commercial .223 caliber Remington cartridge. The .223 caliber Remington was and is today commercially advertised and sold as a "varmint cartridge" for hunting groundhogs, prairie dogs and woodchucks. The cartridge is offered with soft point, hollow point, fragmentation, or projectiles incorporating two or more of these attributes to enhance its lethality and assure a "clean kill": one-round knockdown power on varmints. States such as the Commonwealth of Virginia do not permit it to be used for hunting deer or bear because its lethality—with or without those enhancements—does not assure a "clean kill" on big game. [15] Yet, its full metal jacket military counterpart continues to be issued to American warriors in spite of almost 40 years of Lessons Learned that enemy soldiers continue to fire their weapons and have even killed our soldiers after sustaining multiple hits from 5.56mm bullets.
The lethality of the 5.56mm cartridge, sold on lies, cannot be fixed in truth. It is time the Department of Defense recognizes this "Big Lie" from the Vietnam War and in the names of MSgt Kevin N. Morehead and SFC William M. Bennett replaces this varmint cartridge with one that gives our warriors that critical capability described by SFC Paul Howe above—one-round knockdown power!
The author's 25-year Marine career included service as an infantryman and intelligence officer with highlights of three tours of duty in Vietnam and, ultimately, representing the Defense Intelligence Agency as a briefer to the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of Defense and other Washington area decision makers. He currently manages MILINET an Internet forum on international political/military affairs. 1. Bowden, M, Black Hawk Down, Penguin Books, 2000, p. 208.
2. Fackler, ML,"Wounding patterns of military rifle bullets," International Defense Review, January 1989, pp. 59-64.
3. Ezell, EC & Stevens, RB, The Black Rifle, M16 Retrospective, Collector Grade Publications, Inc., 1994, p. 98.
4. Ibid. pp.99-100.
5. Ibid. pp.101-106.
6. Ibid. pp. 106-107.
7. Ibid. p. 116.
8. Hitler, A, Mein Kampf. James Murphy, translator. London, New York, Melbourne: Hurst and Blackett Ltd; April 1942; page 134.
9. Moore, Col. HG, "After Action Report, Ian Drang Valley Operation 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry 14-16 November 1965," dated, 9 December 1965, p. 8.
10. Hayworth, Col. J, E-Mail to author, 23 April 2002.
11. Feldmeier, Maj. H, E-Mail to author, 21 May 2002.
12. Anonymous, E-Mail to MILINET, 26 March 2002.
13. Roberts, USNR, LCdr. Gary K., Brief to RAdm Albert M. Calland, CMDR NAVSPECWARCOM, "Enhancement of NSW Carbine & Rifle Capability" brief, 3 March 2003.
14. Jones, Bruce L., "MILINET: Case Studies in Combat Failures of 5.56mm Ammunition," 3 November 2003
15. http://www.dgif.state.va.us/hunting/regs/section6.html#legaluse
Maj. Anthony F. Milavic, USMC (Ret.)
Referenssit lienee syytä huomioida.
Legendaarisen suurriistan metsästäjän John Taylorin luoma ns. Taylor Knockout Scale TKO pitänee omalta osaltaa edelleen hyvin paikkansa:
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John Taylor was a legendary African game hunter who used many different cartridges on large, dangerous game. Lots of large, dangerous game. He would commonly go out of touch with western civilization for years at a time while hunting. He wrote books about the subject, including Pondoro (which means "lion" in the Chinyungwe language. I told you he was out in the sticks!), and African Rifles and Cartridges.
While he was out there, so lost that he wasn't aware that World War Two had started, he developed a simple cartridge rating system he called his Knockout Scale. Mr. Taylor was aware of the fact that game is killed by tissue destruction, resulting in blood loss, and that tissue destruction occurs through bullet penetration and expansion.
This scale generates a composite number which can be used to gauge a given cartridge's potential to stop a living, breathing animal. The scale does not assume that all kinetic energy can be transferred into a given target at any given time. It merely gives an idea of scale; what is appropriate for an animal of a given size. For instance, try these cartridges:
Handgun
Bullet Weight (grains) Velocity (fps) Caliber (inches) TKO
.22 Long Rifle 38 1280 .224 1
9mm Parabellum (Luger) 124 1150 .355 7
.38 Special 158 800 .357 6
.357 Magnum 158 1225 .357 9
.40 Smith & Wesson 155 1150 .400 10
.44 Magnum 240 1180 .429 17
.45 ACP 230 850 .451 12
.454 Casull 300 1500 .454 29
.50 GI 300 725 .500 15
.50 Action Express 325 1400 .500 32
.500 S&W Magnum 440 1625 .500 51
Rifle
Bullet Weight (grains) Velocity (fps) Caliber (inches) TKO
5.45x39mm Soviet 54 2950 .221 5
5.56x45mm NATO
(.223 Remington) 62 3100 .224 6
7.62x39mm Soviet 122 2330 .310 12
7.62x51mm NATO
(.308 Winchester) 147 2750 .308 18
.30-06 Springfield 180 2750 .308 21
.300 Winchester Magnum 190 3150 .308 26
.338 Lapua Magnum 250 2950 .338 35
.375 Holland & Holland 300 2530 .375 40
.416 Rigby 400 2420 .416 57
.470 Nitro Express 500 2150 .470 72
.50 BMG 660 2910 .510 139
.700 Nitro Express 1000 2000 .700 200
The TKO scale only takes damage from mechanical means into account. Relatively speaking, a cartridge with a TKO of 1 could kill a human being at close range, though most cartridges designed for self-defense have a TKO between 4 and 12. On the other end of the scale, a cartridge with a TKO of about 40 or above could incapacitate a charging elephant, depending on shot placement. The bigger cartridges almost gaurantee that such a large animal will be stopped in its tracks.
Since Shadowrun uses the Power Level of the "weapon" as the means for resolving armor penetration as well as determining damage, the result of the TKO scale helps us very little for determining a Power Level for real life cartridges. (In reality, the ability to penetrate armor and deliver a damaging effect have very little to do with each other.) However, it is an interesting way to compare the potential for damage between certain cartridges.
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Viimeaikaisia amerikkalaisten kokemuksia ja huomioita Irakissa, etenkin käytössä olevat aseet ja patruunat huomioiden, suora lainaus SH:n sivuilta:
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US experience
1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the talcum
powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. [The Marine] says you feel
filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine version is
more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has jamming problems
also. They like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and
weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the
weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm
(.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over
there and even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down.
Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate
use.
2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light machine
gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of shit. Chronic
jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly.
(that's fun in the middle of a firefight).
3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert
environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for
self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys
hit multiple times and still in the fight.
4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for clearing
houses to good effect.
5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,
developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!).
Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down.
Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being
dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up the
structure over there.
6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce" is still
worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight stopper, puts
their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon in-theater.
7) The ..45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there.
Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one.
With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a torso
hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use the HK
military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45's are
being re-issued en masse.
8) The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a
modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight
Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the
sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.
9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range and
accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out vehicle
suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded enemy.
Definitely here to stay.
10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in 308 but some in 300 win mag.
Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance. Snipers have been used
heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a marine sniper on his third tour
in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcock's record for
confirmed kills with OVER 100.
11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs. and
can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop an
AK-47 round. The bad Hot as shit to wear, almost unbearable in the
summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now goes for
head shots when ever possible. All the bullshit about the "old" body armor
making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The IED
explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all in
most cases.
12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular
performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very little
enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being whacked at
night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.
13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights are
Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban operations.
[The Marine] carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved it.
I cant help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and ordnance
are 50 or more years old!!!!!!!!! With all our technology, it's the WWII and
Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!!!! The infantry fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.
Bad guy weapons:
1) Mostly AK47's The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in the
desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM belt fed
light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the enemy mostly
shoots like shit. Undisciplined "spray and pray" type fire. However, they
are seeing more and more precision weapons, especially sniper rifles. (Iran,
again)
Fun fact: Captured enemy have apparently marveled at the marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They are apparently told in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on technology, and can be easily beaten in close quarters combat for their lack of toughness. Let's just say they know better now.
2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys. Simple,
reliable and as common as dogshit. The enemy responded to our up-armored
humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank range. Still
killing a lot of our guys.
3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old Soviet
anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in [The Marine's]
area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3 155mm artillery
shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell phone, and the
explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any vehicle, even an M1 tank.
Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do over there. Lately,
they are much more sophisticated "shape charges" (Iran ian) specifically
designed to penetrate armor.
Fact: Most of the ready made IED's are supplied by Iran, who is also providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use and tactics. That's why the attacks have been so deadly lately. Their concealment methods are ingenious, the latest being shape charges in Styrofoam containers spray painted to look like the cinderblocks that litter all Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they detonate, and the bomb disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.
4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets (with
an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of [The Marine's] NCO's lost a leg
to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage "inside the wire". [The Marine's] base
was hit almost daily his entire time there by mortar and rocket fire, often
at night to disrupt sleep patterns and cause fatigue (It did). More of a
psychological weapon than anything else. The enemy mortar teams would jump
out of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then haul ass in a matter of
seconds.
5) Bad guy technology: Simple yet effective. Most communication is by cell
and satellite phones, and also by email on laptops. They use handheld GPS
units for navigation and "Google earth" for overhead views of our positions.
Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and prevalent.
Their explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE. Night vision is
rare. They are very careless with their equipment and the captured GPS units
and laptops are treasure troves of Intel when captured.
Who are the bad guys?:
Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They operate
mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are mostly
"foreigners", non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the Muslim world
(and Europe). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of course, the knowledge
and complicity of the Syrian govt.) , and then travel down the "rat line"
which is the trail of towns along the Euphrates River that we've been
hitting hard for the last few months.
Some are virtually untrained young Jihadists that often end up as suicide
bombers or in "sacrifice squads". Most, however, are hard core terrorists
from all the usual suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas etc.) These are the
guys running around murdering civilians en masse and cutting heads off. The
Chechens (many of whom are Caucasian), are supposedly the most ruthless and
the best fighters. (they have been fighting the Russians for years). In the
Baghdad area and south, most of the insurgents are Iranian inspired (and
led) Iraqi Shiites. The Iranian Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating
the Iraqi local govt.'s, the police forces and the Army. The have had a
massive spy and agitator network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early
80's. Most of the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured or gave up long
ago.
Bad Guy Tactics:
When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked every
time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were very common
earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally sacrifice 8-10 man
teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming and firing Ak's and RPG's
directly at our bases just to probe the defenses.
They get mowed down like grass every time. ( see the M2 and M240 above).
[The Marine's] base was hit like this often. When engaged, they have a tendency to
flee to the same building, probably for what they think will be a glorious
last stand. Instead, we call in air and that's the end of that more often
than not. These hole-ups are referred to as Alpha Whiskey Romeo's (Allah's
Waiting Room). We have the laser guided ground-air thing down to a science.
The fast mover's, mostly Marine F-18's, are taking an ever incr easing toll
on the enemy. When caught out in the open, the helicopter gunships and
AC-130 Spectre gunships cut them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire,
especially at night.
Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all.
Fun fact: The enemy death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand. That is why we're seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED, suicide bomber shit.
The new strategy is simple: attrition.
The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and (especially) Mosques are locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons and ammo and flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard whatsoever for civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and murder without hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the Americans or the new Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members (especially children) is common to influence people they are trying to influence but cant reach, such as local govt. officials, clerics, tribal leaders, etc.).
The first thing our guys are told is "don't get captured". They know that if
captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet. Zarqawi openly
offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live American serviceman. This
motivates the criminal element who otherwise don't give a shit about the
war. A lot of the beheading victims were actually kidnapped by common
criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such, for our guys, every fight is to the
death. Surrender is not an option.
The Iraqi's are a mixed bag. Some fight well, others aren't worth a shit.
Most do okay with American support. Finding leaders is hard, but they are
getting better. It is widely viewed that Zarqawi's use of suicide bombers,
en masse, against the civilian population was a serious tactical mistake.
Many Iraqi's were galvanized and the caliber of recruits in the Army and the
police forces went up, along with their motivation. It also led to an exponential increase in good intel because the Iraqi's are sick of the insurgent attacks against civilians.
The Kurds are solidly pro-American and fearless fighters.
According to [The Marine], morale among our guys is very high. They not only
believe they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They are
stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom they
almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters are despised
and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate of 20-1 and then see shit like "Are we losing in Iraq" on TV and the print media. For the most part, they are satisfied with their equipment, food and leadership.
Bottom line though, and they all say this, there are not enough guys there
to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally (with, of course, permanent US bases there).
Siinäpä pitkällisesti lainausten muodossa ballistiikkaa ja kokemuksia käytetyistä aseista ja patruunoista pähkinäkuoressa. TA-kursseilla mennään vielä pintaa syvemmälle ballistiikassa ja muissakin asioissa. Kannattaa lukea tämän stoorin eri lainaukset tarkasti ja kiinnittää myös erityistä huomiota lainausten lähdemateriaaleihin, niissä lainauksissa, joissa se on mainittu.
Miellyttäviä lukuhetkiä!
Carpe Diem,
MJ
PS M855:n eli SS109:n BC on muistaakseni luokkaa .30. Parhaan asevoimien käytössä olevan 5,56 NATO kuulan eli 77 grainin SMK HPBT:n BC on vain .362 piipunsuulla.
Thanks MJ for good reading!
Question for everybody. It is very interesting to read about information that says how fat material what ammunition destroys. I think that more important is information what happens to bullet after penetration. If material has absorbed most energy from bullet and it cant destroy our real target behind cover then who cares if there is hole or there is no hole. Good examples are shooting tests concerning targets behind glass, windshields etc. Does anybody have date about such tests.
Hi Laur,
Yeaps, I think too that those readings are very good indeed! Lots of lessons to be learned from them.
The point is not show that 5,56 NATO is a lousy caliber nor round, but that there are many much better existing old calibers and rounds. Personally I like 5,56 NATO as it's a nice little round and there's still a lot of potential with it. Nevertheless 7,62 NATO has even more potential and by all means it's better than "little bro 5,56 NATO". However, the worst issue with 7,62 NATO is that it surely is too powerful round to be used in automatic rifles aka assault rifles. The only automatic guns suitable to use 7,62 NATO are machine guns. All this is pretty clear to us all and have been already tested in the 1950s as it's stated in the research paper "7.62 mm Versus 5.56 mm - Does NATO Really Need Two Standard Rifle Calibers" in 1986.
It's interesting to see that already 1986, almost 20 yrs ago, US Armed Forces recognized the problems related to 5,56x45mm round and caliber, regardless its adaptation officially as 5,56 NATO only 6 yrs ago in 1980. Hence it's quite clear that the truth was already known; 7,62 NATO round should have been studied more in depth and improments made. Also a new intermediate cartridge for automatic assault rifles should have been developed already during 1980s, if the need for that type of round truly exists. That's really questionable as 7,62 NATO certainly already fulfills the bill.
Nevertheless, if the desire is to have an intermediate round for automatic rifles, which can be easily used and handled by the individual trooper even in full auto, the good old Russian M43 (7,62x39) fulfills that bill almost perfectly. Russian M43 is by all means the most powerful round that can be fired controlled in full auto. Of course there are also now newly developed 6,5mm Grendel and 6,8mm SPC (Special Purpose Cartridge), but honestly do they really bring any real advantages over old Russian M43? And furthermore, are 6,5mm Grendel and 6,8mm SPC as controllable as Russian M43 in full auto? Additionally, Russian M43 still has larger diameter bullet; 7,62mm vs 6,5mm and 6,8mm. So what are the real benifits with 6,5mm Grendel and 6,8mm SPC besides being "quite easily" converted into existing M16/M4-series weapons by replacing the upper parts inclunding the barrel? And yes I know the claimed ballistics of both rounds 6,5mm Grendel and 6,8mm SPC. Why I say claimed is because at some point both new rounds were claimed to beat 7,62 NATO rounds and we all know that's not true. 6,5mm Grendel and 6,8mm SPC are internediate rounds and they stay intermediate rounds period. At this point all the contraversy related to the respective rounds, I seriously doubt that neither will ever become a true military rounds, but on the other hand only time will tell...
Anyway, I don't see much of the future for neither rounds; 6,5mm Grendel and 6,8mm SPC. Instead, I'll see much of the future prospects for existing 7,62 NATO round, which will be further developed and improved. Quite good examples of excellent 7,62 rounds are the Finnish Lapua 9,72g Lock Base, 10g Scenar, 10,85 Scenar, 11g Lock Base and 12g Scenar.
A little bit of ballistics. It's always a good thing to remind ourselves about the basics of ballistics. How fast we seem to forget the basics. A lot of shooters either simple ignore the internal or external ballistics totally, not to mention terminal ballistics. A typical external ballistics example: Lots of long range shooters take into account only either VELOCITY or BC, but not both. Some shooters even mix the meaning of BC and velocity, which is even worse. For a long time I haven't even bothered to argue with these issues, just left people to think whatever they like, whether it's right or wrong.
Now, some well respected long range shooters, namely gentlemen MVe and OD have reapetitly well pointed out the meaning of both velocity and BC and their effect on the time of flight especially at long distances. And the story goes exactly the way Mr. Anthony G Williams explains in his "BASIC BALLISTICS (Version 4: 26 June 2004)". All these basics and even advanced ballistics are taught many many times during e.g. sniper courses, but for some reason still shooters tend to forget them totally. The repetitions should be done obviously even more times over and over again, until they are known by heart.
Here comes the repetition of the few core issues of external ballistics once more:
Two key factors determine the external ballistics of a projectile:
1. The muzzle velocity (the advantages of a high muzzle velocity in reducing the time of flight are self-evident) and 2. The ballistic coefficient (to make the most of the muzzle velocity, we need to achieve a high ballistic coefficient).
The ballistic coefficient is significant because it determines the rate at which the projectile slows down, and in conjunction with the muzzle velocity this decides the maximum range (at any given elevation) and the time of flight to any particular distance. The time of flight in turn decides the amount by which the projectile drops downwards as this happens at a constant rate due to gravity. The curved path of the projectile which results from the muzzle velocity, the ballistic coefficient and gravity drop is called the trajectory. In most types of long-range shooting a short time of flight is considered desirable because it maximizes the hit probability by reducing the time of flight and flattening the trajectory.
There are two elements which decide the ballistic coefficient (BC):
1. The sectional density (SD) and 2. The form factor (FF).
The SD is a simple calculation as it is the ratio between calibre and projectile weight. The formula is:
For metric measurements: multiply the projectile weight in grams by 1.422, then divide the result by the square of the calibre in millimetres. So for a 12.7mm bullet weighing 40 grams: (40x1.422)/(12.7x12.7) = an SD of 0.353.
The higher the SD figure, the better the velocity retention (assuming equal form factors). What the SD measures is the weight (or momentum, when moving) behind every square millimetre of the projectile calibre (i.e. the cross-sectional area of the projectile). If projectiles were solid cylinders then for a given SD figure they would all be the same length regardless of their calibre. In practice, of course, the length varies with the calibre; a 40mm projectile will be about twice the length of a 20mm, and will therefore have about double the SD figure.
The FF measures the aerodynamic efficiency of the projectile's shape, and is much more complicated to calculate; without access to manufacturers' data, only approximate estimates can be made. It is obvious that a projectile with a pointed nose will have much less air resistance than a simple cylinder, and it will therefore have a better FF, but problems arise when you try to become more specific.
The first problem is that the FF is different at subsonic and supersonic velocities, because shapes which work best at subsonic speeds are not the best at supersonic velocities. At subsonic speeds, the drag caused by the low-pressure area created at the back or base of the projectile is significant, and major reductions in drag can be made by tapering this to some extent (boat-tailing). At supersonic speeds, it is the nose shape that is critical; finely pointed noses are needed, but the back end doesn't matter so much. Some taper towards the base is useful, but the optimum taper angle is different from that at subsonic velocities. The benefit of boat-tailing at very long range can be demonstrated by two .30-06 bullets, both weighing 180 grains (11.7g) and fired at 2,700 fps (823 m/s). At sea level, the flat-based bullet will travel a maximum of 3,800m, the boat-tail 5,200m.
It is possible to obtain some idea of typical FFs by comparing manufacturers' BC data with the calculated SDs for the same projectiles. In the case of small arms bullets, this provides the following approximate FFs (this figure should be multiplied by the SD to give the BC):
Flat-nose lead: 0.8
Round-nose lead: 0.9
Round-nose jacketed: 1.0
Semi-pointed soft point: 0.9-1.1
Pointed soft point: 1.2-1.6 (depending on sharpness of point)
Pointed full jacket: 1.5-1.8
Pointed full-jacket boat-tailed: 1.9-2.0
Comparing the BCs with ballistic tables for the ammunition gives the following results. These figures show the approximate percentage velocity loss over 100m for supersonic projectiles (900 m/s) with the following BCs:
BC 0.15 0.20 0.25 0.30 0.35 0.40 0.45 0.50
V loss % 25 18 14 11.5 9.5 8 7 6.5
Another type of Form Factor is traditionally used for artillery - and especially naval - shells. This is the "caliber radius head" (CRH) which measures how pointed the nose is. To give an example, if the curve of a shell nose is the same as that of a circle with a radius of 500mm in diameter, and the calibre is 100mm, then the shell has a CRH of 5. The higher the CRH, the better the FF.
In calculating SD and BC, it should be noted that the notional cartridge calibre is not necessarily the same as the actual projectile diameter, particularly with small arms. The bore diameter (ie the inside diameter of the barrel ignoring any rifling grooves) may be used instead, or some notional figure.
An important aspect of external ballistics is the stability of the projectile.
Rifling permits a high degree of accuracy over the maximum range of a weapon. There is a relationship between the rifling twist (the angle of the rifling to the barrel) and the length of the projectile. For a given calibre, the longer (ie heavier) the projectile, the steeper the twist has to be in order to stabilise it. Clearly, with a particular rifling twist some light projectiles will be very stable, some medium-weight ones marginally stable and some heavy ones not stabilised at all. This can have consequences for the terminal as well as the external ballistics. End of external ballistics repetition.
Laur, you're exactly right that in the end of the day, only terminal ballistics at the given range determines the true outcome. I won't repeat here Mr. Williams's excellent presentation on terminal ballistics, neither Taylor's nice knockout scale, everybody can read them above.
I did few tests with some LE and army people in the early 1990s about different penetration through glass, windshields, cars etc... Some Sniper's Guild members have conducted similar type of tests about a year ago. I haven't written any data on the tests, but I recall them. I don't think that there's any data from other tests either. Yes, it's quite interesting, surely changes one's perpective on terminal ballistics and different covers; a bit different from Hollywood movies...
Isn't it strange that old rounds like Russian 7,62x39, 7,62x51 NATO and 12,7x99 (.50 BMG) still are the best military rounds... or perhaps it's irony...
Carpe Diem,
MJ
Nuista teksteistä pääteltynä on hyvä, että Suomen puolustusvoimat ei kerinnyt pienentää rk kaliperia rahapulassaan vaan meillä on käytössämme maailman tehokkain ja nykyaikaisin rk kaliberi 7.62x39. :lol:
Eikös venäjän erikoisjoukotkin ole siirtyneet takaisin 7.62x39:iin pikkuhiljaa?
5.56 nato:
"even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down.
Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use."
:shock: :lol: :lol:
"War-time doping" or "poor-mans bulletproof vest"
Lainaus käyttäjältä: MJ
The point is not show that 5,56 NATO is a lousy caliber nor round, but that there are many much better existing old calibers and rounds. Personally I like 5,56 NATO as it's a nice little round and there's still a lot of potential with it. Nevertheless 7,62 NATO has even more potential and by all means it's better than "little bro 5,56 NATO"
Well said, MJ.
This has been my point whole time.
Even tiny 223 is not a joke against helmets or vests, and it can be used well in many sniper situations.
As my original quote reveals, 223/ 3.6g Basic SS109 bullet penetrates steel helmet at 1200meters.
Alltough, its "Semi-AP" with "lead is expensive,lets save some money" iron core inside, but still.
Hole in a helmet is always a hole in a helmet, there is no sniff about that.
Still, energy is energy, and light bullet cant be good everywhere.
Thats why bigger bullets work better.
Hi,
Some repetition and clarification.
Lainaa
On 28 October 1980, after more than four years of extensive testing at the German Infantry School at Hammelburg, Federal Republic of Germany, the NATO Small Arms Test Control Commission (NSMATCC) appoved the standardization of a second rifle caliber cartridge. The cartidge selected was the intermediate power 5.56 x 45mm (.223 Caliber) and the improved Belgian version, the SS109, was selected as the basis for standardization. As a result, NATO now has two standard rifle caliber cartridges, the full power 7.62 x 51mm NATO (.308 Caliber), in service since 1953, and the new intermediate power 5.56 x 45mm NATO adopted in 1980.
Already mention basic info on both M855/SS109 and M80/M77 tests rounds:
Cartridge – Weight – Length – Propellant - Type Propellant - Weight Bullet - Weight Chamber - Pressure Velocity
5.56mm Ball, M855/SS109 190gr 2.26" WC844 26.1gr 62gr 55,000psi 3025fps at 78' from muzzle; i.e. 4,02 gram bullet (actually during tests M855/SS109 weighted 61,7 grains which is 4,00 grams even) with 922 mps velocity at Vo 2m.
7.62mm Ball, M80/M77 393gr 2.8" WC846 46gr 147gr 50,000psi 2750fps at 78' from muzzle; i.e. 9,52 gram bullet (actually during tests M80/M77 weighted 144 grains which is 9,33 grams) with 838 mps velocity at Vo 2m.
Lainaa
The current production 7.62 x 51mm NATO ball cartridge has remained unchanged since its adoption by NATO in 1953. As typified by the U. S. M80 ball and the Belgian M77 ball, this cartridge propels a 147-grain cupronickel-jacketed lead bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps (848 mps). Total cartridge length and weight are 2.80 inches and 386 grains, respectively. Utilizing a standard 22-inch barrel with a rifling twist of one turn in twelve inches (M14 rifle), the maximum effective range of the 7.62 x 51mm ball cartridge is listed as 620 meters (682 yds). The U. S. M80 and the Belgian M77 ball projectiles can penetrate the standard NATO 3.45 mm (.14 inch) thick steel plate up to a range of 620 meters, and can penetrate one side of the U. S. steel helmet up to a range of 800 meters (880 yds). In barrier and fortification penetration tests, the 147 grain ball projectile can consistently penetrate two test building blocks. The SS109 5.56mm NATO cartridge is a second generation intermediate power round developed with 1970's technology. It is significantly more powerful and effective than the U. S. M193 5.56mm ball round originally used with the M16 rifle. The new SS109 cartridge propels a heavier 62-grain semiarmor piercing projectile at an initial velocity of 3,050 fps (924 mps). The improved projectile contains a 10-grain .182 caliber hardened steel penetrator that ensures penetration at longer ranges. Total cartridge length and weight are 2.26 inches and 182.0 grains, respectively. The increased length and weight of the new SS109 projectile requires a faster rifling twist of one turn in seven inches to fully stabilize the new projectile in flight. The predecessor M193 5.56mm, which used a projectile weighting only 55 grains, was only marginally stabilized with a slower rifling twist of one turn in twelve inches. The new projectile can penetrate the standard NATO 3.45mm steel plate up to a range of 640 meters (704 yds) and one side of the U. S. steel helmet up to a range of 1,300 meters (1430 yds). In tests of barrier and fortification penetration however, the steel penetrator of the SS109 could not pierce any of the test building blocks.
Lainaa
The penetration results obtained by the NSMATCC with the 5.56mm SS109 cartridge are impressive. The SS109 can penetrate the 3.45mm standard NATO steel plate to 640 meters, while the 7.62mm ball can only penetrate it to 620 meters. The U. S. steel helmet penetration results are even more impressive as the SS109 can penetrate it up to 1,300 meters, while the 7.62mm ball cannot penetrate it beyond 800 meters. These comparisons however, do not consider the fact that the SS109 uses a semi-armor piercing, steel-cored projectile, while the 7.62mm ball uses a relatively soft anti-personnel, lead-cored projectile. A semi-armor piercing 7.62mm caliber projectile, using second generation technology as the SS109, would easily out-perform the smaller SS109 projectile in penetration tests at all ranges. With respect to barrier and fortification penetration tests, the 7.62mm ball projectile can consistently penetrate two test building blocks, while the SS109 semi-armor piercing projectile cannot penetrate a single block. In light of these considerations, the idea of SS109 penetration superiority over the 7.62 x 51mm is not valid.
Note: Both gentlemen Mr. Stevens and Mr. Ezell doubted the penetration of M855/SS109 at the distance of 1300 meters, since simply stated: How could a bullet penetrate a US steel helmet at 1300 meters, fired from 20" barreled M16A1 as the bullet is already subsonic and the angle of decending bullet is too wide to penetrate anything at all.
I seriously doubt the penetration too. The velocity of M855/SS109 is less than 250 mps at 1300 meters (actually quite close to 240 mps) and the energy is less than 125 Joules (actually quite close to 120 Joules) and the angle of the bullet at that distance isn't certainly the best to penetrate anything, not to mention US steel helmet, when fired from M16A1 automatic rifle with 20" (508mm) thin barrel.
I already wrote earlier at Häyhä discussion thread following:
Lainaa
Läpäisy perusteräspotta (US-malli) ja perusteräslevy (NATO) 500 m.
5,56 mm NATO kaliiperin kuula (62 gr FMJBT SS109) selvittää 500 m haasteen.
7,62 mm NATO kaliiperin kuula (155 gr HPBT) selvittää 500 m haasteen.
.338 LM kaliiperin kuula (250 gr HPBT) selvittää 500 m haasteen.
Läpäisy perusteräspotta (US-malli) ja perusteräslevy (NATO) 1000 m. HUOM! Määräävä vaikutus etäisyys.
5,56 mm NATO kaliiperin kuula (62 gr FMJBT SS109) selvittää 1000 m haasteen kypärän osalta, muttei teräslevyn.
7,62 mm NATO kaliiperin kuula (155 gr HPBT) selvittää 1000 m haasteen kypärän osalta, muttei teräslevyn osalta muutoin kuin tuurilla.
.338 LM kaliiperin kuula (250 gr HPBT) selvittää 1000 m haasteen kaikilta osin.
Joulet 1000 metrissä. Entäpä Juoliraja; kompromissina vaikkapa tasan 500 Joulea 1000 metrissä. Ainoastaan .338 LM (noin 2000 + Joulea per 1000 m) ja 7,62 NATO (noin 550 + Joulea per 1000 m) läpäisevät tämän parametrin. 5,56 mm NATO (noin 260 + Joulea per 1000 m ja niukasti siinä ja siinä rajoilla onko ylisoninen vaiko alisoninen, todennäköisesti jo alisoninen kuula eli alta 330 m/s per 1000 m).
Jotta kaikki esim. patruunat läpäisivät tämän kohdan Joulitehot olisi määriteltävä 250 Jouleen 1000 metrissä ja samoin sallittava se, että luoti on jo 1000 metrissä alisoninen.
What I wrote earlier correlates exactly with the NATO tests conducted in 1978-1979, but added with the reality factor as well as current technology related to cartridges plus current battlefield experiences taken in consideration.
Now, I'm certainly not a ballistics expert, but if an intermediate NATO cartridge is desired which a trooper/soldier is capable to fire in full auto mode, the existing 5,56x45mm can be improved and well used. The bullet has to be increased in weight, the shape improved (section density and form factor) in order to get a better BC and to improve the whole round.
I quess the correct weight for the 5,56 NATO bullet would be somewhere btw roughly 69 – 80 grains, i.e. 4,5 – 5,2 grams. Lighter bullet than 69 grain is no go, that has been verified already many times and heavier bullet than 80 grains would be simply too heavy for the 5,56x45 cartridge. Existing 69 – 80 grain bullets aren't good enough, that has been verified already too. The velocity would drop down to somewhere btw 890 – 910 mps, but the BC could be raised somewhere btw 0.420 – 0.500. Due to a heavier bullet (of course the material of the bullet has a significant meaning too), a slight lower velocity, but better BC, the "new improved" 5,56 NATO would certainly outperform the old bullets in the terms of external and terminal ballistics. Hence, there wouldn't be any need to design new cartridges such as 6,5mm Grendel or 6,8mm SPC, just improve current 5,56x45mm round. Furthermore current existing gun platforms could be used, this would in turn lead to substancial economic savings.
I maybe well wrong, but I do feel that the total potential of 5,56x45mm round hasn't been yet investigated.
In the case of 7,62 NATO, the improvement job is a lot easier. There are plenty of opportunities to improve 7,62x51mm round; e.g. increase a weight of the bullet up to e.g. 155 grains i.e. 10 grams (like Scenar), improve shape of the bullet (again section density and form factor to achieve BC btw 0.520 - 0.600) and increase velocity from 838 - 848 mps to 860 – 870 mps. All these improvements would make "the new" 7,62 NATO round outperform old 7,62 NATO rounds by a wide margin.
In the end both existing standard NATO rifle caliber cartridges, 5,56 NATO and 7,62 NATO, would have their own spesific places; 5,56 NATO for automatic "assault rifles" and 7,62 NATO for semi auto and bolt action sniper rifles and machine guns.
Russian 7,62x39mm M43 round will surely preserve its own spesific place for automatic "assault rifles" and some machine guns in the future too, since its combat proven efficient round.
Just my two cents. :P
Carpe Diem,
MJ
Topic is drifting slowly away ... :)
I hope that people in US responsible for new ammunition are considering very seriously their lessons from Iraq/Afganistan and find best results via tests. It is best time for them to find new ammunition solution if we consider that they try to find new automatic weapon for themselves.
Personally i prefer new 6mm (6,5 or 6.8) ammo. This sounds really like good marksman's ammo. Due to the availability of optical accessories every infantryman can consider yourself marksman. It seems really like 7x62x39 Magnum :)
Here are couple links about ballistics:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2005smallarms/wednesday/arvidsson.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2005smallarms/tuesday/spickertfulton.pdf
In this link and under SESSION III - Individual Weapons & Payloads, is presentation "6.8mm Remington SPC"
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004arms/2004arms.html
Tiivistelmä päivästä: leffoista opittu auton oven taakse kyyristely suojaa yhtä paljon kuin mitä "taikaviitta" suojaa ydinlaskeutumalta, itse asiassa jos henkilöauton moottori ei satu kohdalle, auto päästää heppoisenkin 38 Specialin läpi suhahtaen, puhumattakaan 308 tmv
alle 50metrin matkalta .22lr paukun 2,6g luoti 383m/s nopeudella meni helposti corollan ovesta läpi ja tuli toisesta ovesta vielä ulos, eikä kimmonnut pois vaikka ampui vähän vinostakin, meni vaan läpi.
Taitaa olla Corollan pellit vähän ruosteessa :-)
Oli miten oli niin autoissa ei miltään käsiaseelta, kivääristä puhumattakaan, anna suojaa kuin moottori ja jarrulevy/vanne/iskunvaimenninpaketti hieman. Muu on näkösuojaa josta joko menee luodit läpi tai ei mene.
Jopa .357 Mag pysähtyy monen auton oveen jos kohdalla tulee lasinnostomekanismin teräsosia tai muita oven sisäisiä koneistoja.
Poliisikäytössä 5.56:n parhaita etuja on että se ei läpäise kovinkaan hyvin edes FMJ-muodossa kiinteitä rakenteita kuten väliseiniä, ovia jne. Läpäisee toki mutta ei sen jälkeen lennä 150m ja tapa siellä. Menee yleensä väliseinästä läpi mutta sirpaloituu ja vaarallinen kantama lasketaan seinänä läpäisyn jälkeen metreissä eikä edes kymmenissä metreissä. 7.62X51:n ongelma poliisikäytössä on taasen se että se läpäisee helposti kohteen, lentää 150m ja tappaa ohilkulkijan mentyään vielä yhden välissä olleen auton läpi.
Sotilaskäytössä nämä mainitut edut ja haitat ovat tyypillisesti käänteisessä järjestyksessä. Eli suuri läpäisy on vain hyvä asia ja pieni läpäisy on riesa.
7.62X39 on vähän väliinputoja, kaareva lentorata eikä hyvää läpäisyä mutta alle 200m matkoilla toimii ihan ok vaikka ei olekaan mikään loistavan hyvä patruuna.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: HJuTaitaa olla Corollan pellit vähän ruosteessa :-)
Ei ollut pellit ruosteessa mutta ei ollut kyllä luoti osunut mainitsemiisi ikkunannostomekanismeihinkaan että ei ollut luotilla muuta läpäistävää kuin kaksi peltiä ja verhoilua. :) Samaa on kokeiltu vanhan pösön kattoon katolla seisoen ja luoti meni katosta läpi ja hajotti taustapeilin minkä jälkeen se oli pysähtynyt vaihdelaatikkoon.
Tervehdys
Kommenttini ei ehkä ihan vastaa topicia,mutta tuli mieleen pari vuotta sitten tapahtunut metsästys onnettomuus,jossa kaveri ampu teertä latvaan
(en muista osuko) .308 ja 8g kokovaippa.
ampujan velipoika kuoli nuotiolle siihen luotiin.
Tutkinnassa kartalta mitattu matka yli 3 kilometriä.
Siitä kun laskee joulet "maalissa"=ei paljoa,mutta tarpeeksi.
Ehkä vähän karskia tässä yhteydessä kysyä,mutta tuossa tapauksessa "lento kulma" ollut varmaan "ihanteellinen" 45 astetta.
Osaako/kautta onko jotain laskukaavaa tuossa tapauksessa,tarkoitan sitä että kasvaako luodin vauhti ns:lakipisteen jälkeen.
Sotilaskäytössä pidetään yleensä rajana vammattamiselle eli vaarallisena 50 joulea. Tämä silloin kun se 50 joulea osuu arkaan paikkaan eikä esim. pohkeeseen.
Pitkän matkan ammunnassa ihanteellinen lentokulma on ilmanvastuksen ja luodin liitämisen vuoksi jotain 32-35 asteen paikkeilla. Eli tällä kulmalla lentää pidemmälle kuin esim. 45 tai 25 asteen kulmilla.
Luodin vauhti ei laaka-ammunnassa nouse sen jälkeen kun luoti on piipustä päässyt. Jos ampuu suoraan pystysuoraan niin toki se lakipsiteessä on nollassa ja sitten taas vähän kiihtyy mutta laaka-ammunnassa tällaista kuolopistettä ei ole.
Terve Hju.
Joo,tuo sun vastaus tosiaakin pitää paikkaansa.Tuo mun ehdottama 45 asteen "paras"kulmahan on paras kulma ainoastaan suhteessa"painava/hidas" ammus ja silloinkin suppealla kategorialla ammus/vauhti. (ritsat tuli mieleen ja sopiva kivi)
Muuten tuossa minun edellisessä jutussa,kaveria nuotiolla on varmaan osunut ns:kymppiin,tai okulaariin.
Miten Hju,veikkaat ko.tapauksessa luodin energiaksi/nopeudeksi maalissa.
Ymmärtääkseni ballistikkka ohjelmat,jos käsittelevät noita yli 3000M matkoja eivät ainakaan pidä paikkaansa.
Lainaus käyttäjältä: JR
Tervehdys
Kommenttini ei ehkä ihan vastaa topicia,mutta tuli mieleen pari vuotta sitten tapahtunut metsästys onnettomuus,jossa kaveri ampu teertä latvaan
(en muista osuko) .308 ja 8g kokovaippa.
ampujan velipoika kuoli nuotiolle siihen luotiin.
Tutkinnassa kartalta mitattu matka yli 3 kilometriä.
Joo.
Patruuna oli Lapuan 8g trainer, ja lehtijutun mukaan luoti lävisti myös linnun. :!:
Matkaa oli tosiaan yli 3km, ja osuma tuli viistosta kylkeen kainalokuopan alapuolelle.
Näin muistelen.
Viitaten tuohon MJn lainaamaan tekstiin jossa oli raportti amerikkalaisten sekä vastapuolen aseistuksesta.
OT
Menee älyttömän kauaksi ohi alkuperäisestä aiheesta, mutta kuitenkin.
Vaikka käytössä on
FSDS (Family of Sniper Detection Systems)
MCFS (Mobile Counter Fire System)
TAGIT-CS (The Tactical Asset for Gunfire Identification and Targeting—Counter Sniper)
SLDU (Sniper Location Detection Unit)
SECURES (System for the Effective Control of Urban Environment Security)
yms. sniper neutralization systeemit niin vastapuolen "lehti"koneisto kertoo legendaa ja on onnistunut luomaan tarinan "Juba - Baghdad sniper" tarkka-ampujasta joka (siis tarinan mukaan) on aiheuttanut menetyksiä maailman ehkä varustelluimmalle ja parhaana pidetylle armeijalle tämän hetkisellä sotatanterella vaikkakin käynnissä on ainoastaan käsittääkseni terrorisminvastainen operaatio. Lukuja on esitetty "154 GIs killed, 54 GIs wounded, 6 Officers killed, and 4 Snipers killed" tosin jossakin oli maininta myös että tämä "juba" olisi saatettu maan lepoon.
SO, there is super formula concerning those gadgets:
area of operations vs units/mobility of gadgets
If you take only Baghad with it's 5-7 million people and huge territory, all those gadgets are drop of water in the ocean. In the urban areas, filled with noise and signals the working principles of those gadgets are really questionable.
Yankees have built 10 mile route for testing counter-IED systems, but despite all those jammers etc. bombs are main concern.
Sorry, moderators, don't throw me out for topic drifting :oops:
: Miten Hju,veikkaat ko.tapauksessa luodin energiaksi/nopeudeksi maalissa.
Veikkauksena lähes vapaa pudotus liitävänä eli reippaasti alle 100m /s ehkä 75 m/s ja sujahtanut todennäköisesti vielä kylkiluiden välistä. Kuvittele miten 60-70 m/s lentävä taljajousen vajaa 8mm paksu nuoli tekee maalissa. Kyllä sekin kohtuullisen syvälle porautuu. Jos luoti porautuu siitä 1/10 osan ja tulee vasemmasta kyljestä sisään niin kyllä siinä voi henki lähteä.
: Y: mmärtääkseni ballistikkka ohjelmat,jos käsittelevät noita yli 3000M matkoja eivät ainakaan pidä paikkaansa.
Ilmaisesti netistä imuroitavat ei varmaan pidä paikkaansa todella pitkille matkoille. Nasalle 100 miljoonalla dollarilla ohjelmoidut softat todennäköisesti pitää paikkansa vähän pidemmilläkin matkoilla :-)
Käytännössä 3000m päähän on vaikea osua mihinkään koska luodit yleensä menettää stabiliteettinsä ja kääntyvät poikittain ja putoavat jonnekin matkan varrelle.
HJu wrote:
"Poliisikäytössä 5.56:n parhaita etuja on että se ei läpäise kovinkaan hyvin edes FMJ-muodossa kiinteitä rakenteita kuten väliseiniä, ovia jne. Läpäisee toki mutta ei sen jälkeen lennä 150m ja tapa siellä. Menee yleensä väliseinästä läpi mutta sirpaloituu ja vaarallinen kantama lasketaan seinänä läpäisyn jälkeen metreissä eikä edes kymmenissä metreissä."
Here is good article about 5,56x45 penetration (better to say non-penetration) tests.
"Detailed Information Regrading Penetraition Of .223 Ammunition"
http://www.olyarms.com/?page=223articles
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HJu wrote:
"Poliisikäytössä 5.56:n parhaita etuja on että se ei läpäise kovinkaan hyvin edes FMJ-muodossa kiinteitä rakenteita kuten väliseiniä, ovia jne. Läpäisee toki mutta ei sen jälkeen lennä 150m ja tapa siellä. Menee yleensä väliseinästä läpi mutta sirpaloituu ja vaarallinen kantama lasketaan seinänä läpäisyn jälkeen metreissä eikä edes kymmenissä metreissä."
Here is good article about 5,56x45 penetration (better to say non-penetration) tests.
"Detailed Information Regrading Penetraition Of .223 Ammunition"
http://www.olyarms.com/?page=223articles
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From a law enforcement standpoint, the ability of the .223 caliber round to defeat soft body armor, military ballistic helmets and many ballistic shields is a "double-edged sword."
Fair or good penetration on ballistic helmets or soft "bulletproof" vests, but poor caliber against structures etc.
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Here is good info about 5,56x45
http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm#762
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Paljonkohan tarvitsisi laittaa suojalevyyn paksuutta tuota kaatuvaa maalilaitetta ajatellen? Materiaali taitaa olla ihan "viiskakkosta" rautaa mitä hyllyssä on.
10mm, 20mm ?
:wink:
Itse itselleni vastaten:
Empiirisissä testeissä on osoittautunut että 10mm levy (SFS Fe 52) riittää suojaamaan maalilaitteen mikäli käytössä on 7.62 Ball L2A2 (RG NATO) 9,3g v0=830m/s bc.=0.379 luodilta 50m lähtien; suojalevyyn jää pysyviä muodonmuutoksia, mutta maalilaitteeseen ei.
Lainaus Laurin linkistä:
The SS-109 (223) can penetrate the 3.45mm standard NATO steel plate to 640 meters, while the 7.62mm ball can only penetrate it to 620 meters. The U. S. steel helmet penetration results are even more impressive as the SS-109 can penetrate it up to 1,300 meters, while the 7.62mm ball cannot penetrate it beyond 800 meters
Eli NATOn standardi 3.45mm panssarilevy suojaa 7.62 Ball kuulalta 620m alkaen.
On se muuten nyt jo ihme ja kumma jos ei muka 5.56Naton läpäisy riitä TA -käyttöön.
Joo, noin näkyy olevan. Eikö tuo SS109 ole kuitenkin semi-AP? Täytyy vielä joskus jatkaa empiirisiä tutkimuksia jolloin verrataan tavallisia fmj luodeilla olevia keskenään 7,62x51 ja .223 10mm ja 6mm levyyn.
Onko tuo SS109 ihan hyllytavaraa tavallisessa pyssykaupassa?
Samasta lainattua, hieman alempaa:
"These comparisons however, do not consider the fact that the SS-109 uses a semi-armor piercing, steel-cored projectile, while the 7.62mm ball uses a relatively soft antipersonnel, lead-cored projectile. A semi-armor piercing 7.62mm caliber projectile, using second generation technology as the SS-109, would easily outperform the smaller SS-109 projectile in penetration tests at all ranges. With respect to barrier and fortification penetration tests, the 7.62mm ball projectile can consistently penetrate two test building blocks, while the SS-109 semi-armor piercing projectile cannot penetrate a single block.
Eiköhän aito SS109/M855 luokitella Suomessa Ervaksi.
Onhan noita RG;n valmistamana myynnissä ollut, enkä muista ERVA;ksi mainostetun. ERÄ-lehden 223 vertailussa oli muistaakseni kyseinen patruuna mukanakin. Jotkut tutut ovat niillä ampuneetkin. Lain kannalta asia lienee vielä hiukan tulkinnan varainen. Onko A-tarvike suunniteltu panssaria läpäisemään (ERVA) vai onko normaalia läpäisyä vain vähän parannettu (ei välttämättä ERVA). Pitänee ottaa selvää...
Ymmärtääkseni SS109 on yhtä erva kuin vaikkapa 7.62x39 itäsaksan ylijäämäkin jossa räkärautainen tappi on kuulan sisällä ainoastaan kustannussyistä täytteenä.
Alun alkaenkaan ei siis läpäisyä varten vaikka se mukavasti sitäkin ominaisuutta parantaa.
Siksi mielestäni kuula on puhuttelunimeltään "Semi AP", ei sitä alkujakaan tehty varsinaiseksi AP -patiksi vaan ihan stanu tusinapaukuksi demokratian levittämistarkoituksiin.
Sattuupahan nyt vaan lävistämään kivasti "kaupan päälle".
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Pitänee ottaa selvää...
Kyllähän sen tietää mikä on vastaus jos sitä virkamieheltä mennään kysymään...ehkä ei kuitenkaan kannata kun harrastajille muutenkin jo lyödään suomessa kapulaa rattaaseen tekosyillä/mielivaltaisilla tulkinnoilla mahdollisimman paljon.
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yms. sniper neutralization systeemit niin vastapuolen "lehti"koneisto kertoo legendaa ja on onnistunut luomaan tarinan "Juba - Baghdad sniper" tarkka-ampujasta joka (siis tarinan mukaan) on aiheuttanut menetyksiä maailman ehkä varustelluimmalle ja parhaana pidetylle armeijalle tämän hetkisellä sotatanterella vaikkakin käynnissä on ainoastaan käsittääkseni terrorisminvastainen operaatio. Lukuja on esitetty "154 GIs killed, 54 GIs wounded, 6 Officers killed, and 4 Snipers killed" tosin jossakin oli maininta myös että tämä "juba" olisi saatettu maan lepoon.
Propagandan tehon huomaa parhaiten siinä, kun katsoo tilastoja ilmoitetuista tappioista (käsittääkseni jenkkien tappiot ovat varsin luotettavasti tiedossa), viimeksi kun kävin eräällä sivustolla, jossa nuo tappiot oli eritelty, niin siellä oli tiedot 33.sta kuolleesta jotka olivat kuolleet tarkka-ampujan luotiin. Tämä taisi sisältää myös ne kaksi suomalaista miestä jotka ammuttiin Irakissa.
Myöskin tiettyjä asioita huomaa niistä videoista, niissä nimittäin osassa näkyy kun luoti osuu jonnekin muualle kun siihen mieheen tai tornista tähystämässä ollut kaveri suojautuu tornin sisään.
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Ymmärtääkseni SS109 on yhtä erva kuin vaikkapa 7.62x39 itäsaksan ylijäämäkin jossa räkärautainen tappi on kuulan sisällä ainoastaan kustannussyistä täytteenä.
Asia riippuu asiaa käsittelevän viranomaisen ja tarvittaessa oikeuslaitoksen päätöksestä. Jos kyseessä on ammuksen läpäisykykyä nostamaan SUUNNITELTU ominaisuus niin se on panssariluoti ja siten Erva. Läpäiseekö se mitään on toissijaista niin kauan kunb oikeuslaitos ei ole asiasta antanut ennakkopäätöstä.
SS109:n sisällä ei ole kustannusten vähentämiseksi lisätty lyijysydämen lisäksi vielä teräkeernaa. Kyseinen keerna lähinnä huonontaa tarkkuutta ja vaikeuttaa valmistusta eli nostaa kustannuksia. DDR-paukuissa teräskeernä täyttää lähes koko luodin eikä ole karkaistu jolloin se tosiaan on siellä sisällä lähinnä kustannussyistä.
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Alun alkaenkaan ei siis läpäisyä varten vaikka se mukavasti sitäkin ominaisuutta parantaa.
Uskoisin maallikkona että aivan huvikseen ei FN tai USAn sotavoimat ole sitä teräskärkeä sinne luodin sisään ole lisänneet eikä varsinkaan karkaistuna.
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Siksi mielestäni kuula on puhuttelunimeltään "Semi AP", ei sitä alkujakaan tehty varsinaiseksi AP -patiksi vaan ihan stanu tusinapaukuksi demokratian levittämistarkoituksiin.
USAssa ATF on aivan erikseen tehnyt päätöksen että M855 tai SS109 EI ole AP-luoti ja siksi niitä saa myydä siviileille. Se on kuitenkin USAn viranomaisen päätös jolla on Suomessa lähinnä kuriositeettiarvoa jos aselakia aletaan tulkitsemaan. Samainen ATF on tehnyt myös sellaisen päätöksen että rautasydäminen 7.62X39 on kielletty AP vaikka se ei läpäisisi mitään sen enempää kuin lyijysydäminenkään. -> Tuolta suunnalta ei välttämättä kannata ottaa oppia lainsäädännön loogisuudesta.
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Sattuupahan nyt vaan lävistämään kivasti "kaupan päälle".
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Suuri nopeus ja kovaksi karkaistu metallipenetraattori vähemmän yllättävästi läpäisee kovia materiaaleja kohtuullisesti.
Pitänee ottaa selvää...
Kyllähän sen tietää mikä on vastaus jos sitä virkamieheltä mennään kysymään...ehkä ei kuitenkaan kannata kun harrastajille muutenkin jo lyödään suomessa kapulaa rattaaseen tekosyillä/mielivaltaisilla tulkinnoilla mahdollisimman paljon.[/quote]
Ylläoleva on siis maallikon näkemystä siitä onko SS109 Suomen aselain mukaan Erva vai ei. Väittäisin että on koska siinä on erillinen kova ydin joka on nähtävästi suunniteltu parantamaan luodin läpäisyä ja josta seuraa että Suomen aselain mukaan se tulisi tulkita Ervaksi. Se että se ei läpäise yhtä paljon kuin M955 täysmittaisella tungstenpentraattorilla on sivuseikka.
Mainittakoon vielä selvyyden vuoksi että myynnissä on ainakin USAssa M855-nimikkeellä patruunaa jossa ei ole kovametallikeernaa tai muutakaan rautasydäntä. Kyse on eräänlaisesta 62 greinisestä halpisversiosta. Näistä kyllä puuttuu sitten se vihreä luodintunnistevärikin joka aidoissa on.
Jenkkilainsäädännön mukaan panssariluodissa pitää olla luodin sisäosan laajuinen kova ydin, pelkkä kovametallikärki ei riitä aiheuttamaan luokittelua armorpiercingiksi. Siksi M855 ei ole panssaria läpäiseväksi luokiteltu patruuna. Ei ole Suomessakaan koska niitä on hyväksytty myytäväksi siviileille tavallisina patruunoina. Tai sitten kymmnenet kauppiaan ja heitä valvovat virkamiehet ovat vuosia tehneet virkavirheitä asian tulkinnassa. Näin en usko olevan...
Luokitteluissa pitää olla määriteltynä aina joku tulkittavissa oleva luokittelukriteeri, ja tässä on keksitty noin yksiselitteinen tapa luokitella luoteja. Sahaa tai viilaa luodin kärkeä, keskiosaa ja perää, ja jos saha karahtaa kovaan metalliin (mitä se sitten onkaan) tai kovaan keramiikkaan/komposiittiin, kyseessä on AP-luoti. Tuon ehdon täyttyminen on helppo tutkia vaikka kentällä, sinällän se on hyvä ja toimiva luokitteluperuste. Paljon vaikeampaa esim tuonnin rajavalvonnan kannalta olisi määritellä joku läpäisytestimenettely ja testata sitten sen mukaan kaikki patruunat joita halutaan testata.
Jos SS109/M855 haluttaisiin luokitella panssaria läpäiseväksi, niin samaan läpäisyyn kykenee järkevillä ampumaetäisyyksillä aika moni tarkkuusammunta tai latvalinnustuspatruunakin, pitäisikö nekin sitten kieltää...eli AP-luokitelussa ei olisi noin heppoisilla perusteilla mitään järkeä, ohuesta metallilevystä kun saa suhautettua läpi aika monen latingin.
Tarkkaanottean tuon 7.62X39 rautasydän luodin luokittelu AP:ksi USAssa ei liittynyt sydämen kokoon tai karkaisuun mitenkään. ATF totesi että jos Olympic Arms rakentaa yhdenkin (1) 7.62X39 AR-15 pistoolin niin ATF joutuu siinä kohtaa tulkitsemaan rautasydämiset 7.62X39 Norincon patruunat kielletyiksi handgun AP ammoksi. No Olympic Arms rakensi viisi (5kpl) 7.62X39 pistoolia joista yhtäkään ei myyty siviileille. ATF vastasi päättämällä että mm. Kengs Inc:in miljoonat rautasydämiset Norincon 7.62X39 patruunat tullivarastossa muuttuivatkin kielletyiksi ja maahantuonti estyi. Tottakai asiaan liittyi tarve siinä ohessa rajoittaa kiinalaisten asekauppaa USAhan sekä näihin kuvioihin aina olennaisesti liittyvä oman teollisuuden suojaaminen ulkomaalaiselta kilpailulta erilaisin tekaistuin verukkein.
Se miksi ATF ei ole samaa tulkintaa harrastanut 5.56 AR-15 pistoolien kohdalla on vähintäänkin epäselvää. Niiden myötähän M855:sta tuli saman tulkinnan mukaan myös kielletty handgun AP patruuna.
Oma veikkaus on että jos kehitys kehittyy normaaliin tapaansa niin mikä tahansa rautasydän missä tahansa patruunassa tullaan USAssa lähivuosina tulkitsemaan kielletyksi AP:ksi.
Suomessa aselaki sanooa panssariluodista vain seuraavaa:
Erityisen vaarallisilla patruunoilla tarkoitetaan:
1) panssarin lävistämiseen suunniteltuja ja valmistettuja patruunoita;
Onko M855 panssarin lävistykseen suunniteltu ja valmistettu vai ei on se kysymys. Tiedossani kyllä on että jotkut erät M855:sta ei läpäise läheltä panssaria edes yhtä hyvin kuin M193-patruuna joten tässä on varmasti tulkintamahdollisuuksia suuntaan tai toiseen. Syynä huonoon läpäisyyn on käsittääkseni ainakin ne feikki-versiot M855:sta joissa ei ole kovametallipenetraattoria ollenkaan ja ne joissa terästä ei ole sen kummemin jaksettu karkaista.
Itse en ole tärmännyt aitoon M855 tai SS109 patruunaan paljoudessa Suomessa mutta koska en omista sen kaliperin aseita niin enpä ole myöskään niitä etsinyt. Jos ajatellaan että meillä ei voida myydä tehdasuutta valjojuovapatruunaa ilman keräilylupia niin en ihmettelisi jos M855:sta ei myytäisi koska se ei välttämättä mene CIP-speksiin paineiden puolesta. CIPittämätönä patruunaa taas ei saa Suomessa myydä joten huonoon tarjontaan voi olla muitakin syitä kuin mahdollinen Erva-status.
Henkilökohtaisesti tämän patruunan Suomen aselain mukainen luokitus on aivan sama.
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Uskoisin maallikkona että aivan huvikseen ei FN tai USAn sotavoimat ole sitä teräskärkeä sinne luodin sisään ole lisänneet eikä varsinkaan karkaistuna.
Ahaa, olen ollut siinä käsityksessä että se ei ole karkaistu.
Tähän materiaalin tuhoamis keskusteluun palatakseni, niin miten kaukaa tuollainen .50 BMG ammus tehoaa venäläisiin miehistön kuljetus vaunuihin? Tuossa toisaalla näin jutun jossa joku oli kokeillut asiaa ja tuollainen ammus (tod. näk. API luoti) olisi läpäissyt BMP:n tornin luukun (auki olevan sellaisen), läpäissyt luotiliivin ja kylmäkallen. Tämän jälkeen luoti oli tullut toselta puolelta ulos ja katkaissut antennin. Kaikki tämä mailin päästä.
Tietenkään tämä ei ole yllätys, että BMP on haavoittuva tälle aseelle, mutta tuli tuossa mieleen, että eikös nuo aseet olisi hyvä lisä PST joukkueille? Ei liene mitään syytä tuhlata kessejä tms. kevyeeseen vaunuun kun kiväärikin on riittävä (kunnes joku lisää panssarointia).
Lisäksi tuossa aseessa olisi kantamaa paljon enemmän, kuin PST aseilla yleensä (ohjukset tietenkin ovat poikkeus, mutta niitäkin on suht. vähän)
Ruotsalaiset ovat hankkineet Barretteja jääkärijoukkueille nimenomaan kevyiden APC:den kurittamiseen ja muuhun tulitukeen. Ongelmaksi jää että tuhovaikutus vaunun sisällä on aika vaatimatonta jopa Raufossin Multipurpose-ammuksella. Paitsi jos se osuu johonkin herkkään kohtaan vaunun ammusvarastossa (esim. BMP-vaunuissa PST-ohjukset) Ja jos yksi osapuoli pystyy ampumaan .50BMG:llä vaunuun niin BMP-2 voi vastata 30mm konetykillä takaisin.
MT-LB:n kohdalla vaunua voisi ampua niin kaukaa että sen vaunun 7.62 kk:lla ei voisi kunnolla vastata tuleen. BTR-80 pystyy ampumaan vähintään yhtä kauas NPV 14.5:lla kuin .50 BMG:llä.
.50 Barrett voisi olla hyvä lisä jääkärijoukkueelle vähän kaikenlaiseen Ake/TA/PST-touhuun mutta ei se mielestäni varsinainen PST-ase ole. Isompia vaunuja vastaan sillä ei tee mitään ja harvemmin kevyet vaunut aivan yksin palloilee sotatoimissa. Käytännössä vastapuoli voi ampua kranaattikk:lla takaisin .50 BMG:n maksikantaman ulkopuoleltakin jos vain se .50 BMG pystytään paikallistamaan.
Eli hyvä lisä mutta ei varmaankaan mikään kaikkivoipa ratkaisu mielestäni.
Tuo puolituumaisten läpäisy on hankala tapaus näille apc:lle. Jenkithän joutuivat paksuntamaan/lisäämään panssaria m113 miehistön kuljetus vaunuun kun venäläis valmisteiset 12.7 ja 14mm meni liian helposti läpi.
Taitaa vaan olla että yleensä niitä kurmootetaan sarjatulivehkeillä eikä yksittäis papua antavilla...
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Eli hyvä lisä mutta ei varmaankaan mikään kaikkivoipa ratkaisu mielestäni.
Lisäksi sitä tarkoitinkin, toimisi lähinnä sellaisena aseena jota voi käyttää hieman vapaammin, kuin sinkoja, koska ammuksia voi kuljettaa mukana valtavasti enemmän.
mpmasa: ITKK toki olisi tehokkaampi ajoneuvoja vastaan, mutta sen liikkuvuus on kyseenalainen ja vaatisi melkoisesti miehiä kantamaan, kun Barretin kantaa ammuksineen yksi mies (toinen saattaisi olla tarpeen ammus juhdaksi) ja Itkossa tarvitaan hyvinkin neljä äijää pelkkään aseeseen.
Niin, ja jotenkin arvelisin sen barretin puoliautomaatin olevan parempi tässä tarkoituksessa, kuin sen pulttilukkoisen.
Pitikö meikäläisten mennä hylkäämään takavuosina Aimo Lahden mainiot 20mm PST-kiväärit ?
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Pitikö meikäläisten mennä hylkäämään takavuosina Aimo Lahden mainiot 20mm PST-kiväärit ?
Nii-iin.
Muistaakseni erään veteraanin kertoman mukaan kahdella tarkkaan tähdätyllä murkulla sai vaunun torninpyörityksen "niitattua" jumiin vaikka läpäisy ei olisi riittänytkään.
Jumitus häiritsee kyllä sotimista aikas lailla, ainakin vaunumiehistön vinkkelistä katsottuna.
Tuskin enää vaunujen torneja saisi jumiin noin pienellä aseella ja luulen, että nyky tekniikalla saisi tehtyä huomattavasti kenttäkelpoisemman aseen kuin vanhan norsupyssyn. (tai siis tiedänhän minä, että niitä 20 millisiä kivääreitä on tehty sotilaskäyttöön ihan jopa täällä Suomessakin)
Mutta, jos norsupyssyjä ei oltaisi poistettu, niin varmasti olisi helpompaa korvata vanhat aseet uusilla, kuin hankkia kokonaan uusi asetyyppi.
//http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006munitions/russell.pdf
//http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006munitions/russell.pdf
Hi Laur,
Thanks for posting the excellent pdf file.
As the pdf file on munitions shows, 7,62 mm NATO does the work very well and so does 7,62x53/54 R. The availability of decent ammo is the major problem. Furthermore, 5,56 mm NATO does it intended job for short ranges (fired from 20" barrel platforms) well too.
However, as we all know US Armed Forces will replace all its M16/M4/AR-15 variants and derivatives with FN made SCARs. First M4s and M4A1s will be replaced with Mk 16 SCAR Light (SCAR-L) made by FNH USA and in the long run other M16/AR-15 variants with both Mk 16 SCAR Light (SCAR-L) and Mk 17 SCAR Heavy (SCAR-H) .
The service career of "the black rifle" is approaching its end, since its fate has already been sealed. Nevertheless, "the black rifle" has served the free world over 40 yrs extremely well.
Carpe Diem,
MJ
//http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006smallarms/gandy.pdf
//http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006smallarms/gandy.pdf
Läpäisyihin liittyen:
Here are pics from my testgrounds.
Shot at 75m distance with Sako M92 and Bushmaster Modular Carbine.
Metal is 8millimeters thick. (Fe52, huom)
Ammo:
.223 American Eagle 55grain
.223 Wolf 62grain
7.62x39 VPT 8gram
7.62x39 M43 east-german about 8gram

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